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I have just upgraded and now have access to 1911. I have found a mystery niece living with my gg uncle and his wife in Warwick.

The details are Emily Mundy aged 3 , listed as niece to Thomas Mundy. Emily was born in Rotherham .

I looked on free bmd and found a birth that correlates.

The mystery is that if she was born a Mundy and is niece to Thomas then I cannot place her. Thomas Mundy had 3 brothers. I can account for all their children except those of the eldest brother Frederick Mundy who possibly went to Canada ( not fully confirmed but possible match on passenger lists ) . He is last picked up on a census in 1891 working on the railways in Leeds.

Any thoughts or help gratefully received.

I think the only way to know for sure would be to get the cert

I have one too in my tree...but i can't find a birth nor able to pick her up in the census before :o((

Thanks for your interest Julie.
I haven't done much research recently and am feeling a bit rusty. Having laid out this money for 1911 I am making a concerted effort to put a few more pieces in the jigsaw.

Best wishes
Vanessa

Just for ref.


1891 England Census
about Frederick Mundy
Name: Frederick Mundy
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Farthinges, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Pudsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Pudsey St Lawrence
Town: Pudsey
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Could this be him in 1901 although age is out.


1901 England Census
about Fred Mundy
Name: Fred Mundy
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Farthingstone, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Brightside St Thomas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: East Brightside

Christine

Ooh thanks for that Christine. I will take a look. Frederick is someone we have struggled with for a while. The family were split up at a fairly young age but all the other brothers and sister stayed in touch and I am fairly well up on their families/whereabouts.
Thanks again
Vanessa

Have just looked at the census and think it certainly could be him. There is a marriage in Eccleshall Bierslow in Sept 1901 which might also fit but I can't see the wife's details . Can anyone help? Cheers

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
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BRAIN Rose Ecclesall B. 9c 611
Heacock Emma Jane Ecclesall B. 9c 611
HENCOCK Emma Jame Ecclesall B. 9c 611
Hencock Emma Jane Ecclesall B. 9c 611
Munday Frederick Ecclesall B. 9c 611
Mundy Frederick Ecclesall B. 9c 611
Wiston George Ecclesall B. 9c 611
Wistow George Ecclesall B. 9c 611

Many thanks Jonesey. will follow that up.
Vanessa

Thanks for the help so far. I have been digging around trying to find out if this marriage is the correct one. I can't find them on the 1911 census.and have struggled on free bmd to throw up any brothers/ sisters/ deaths etc.

The location of Emily's birth on the 1911 census seems very precise- Kimberworth Park . I suppose she could be the wife's niece yet she has the surname Mundy and from what I know of the family they were well educated and unlikely to give incorrect info but who knows??

Thanks in advance if anyone can shed any more light for me.

n

All I can suggest is that you send for that birth certificate and see who her parents are.


That really is the only way ot find out if Frederick is her father.


Is there any possibility that she could be a great-niece???




sylvia

A smidgen more info might help the nosy.

Thomas had 3 brothers ... who were? born when/where?

This looks like the 1891 Frederick, in 1871:

Name: Frederick Munday
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Sophia
Where born: Farthinghoe, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Farthinghoe
Town: Farthinghoe
County/Island: Northamptonshire

William Munday 26
Sophia Munday 23
Frederick Munday 2
Emily Munday 2 months


Interesting because of the sister's name, Emily, possibly.


1881 seems to fit the info:

Civil parish: Whitnash
County/Island: Warwickshire
William Munday 36
Sophia Munday 33
Frederick Munday 12
Emily Munday 10
John Munday 7
Ernest Munday 5
Thomas Munday 2


Another tidbit: the only Mundy in 1911 recorded as born in Farthinghoe is a George c1845, in Ecclesall Bierlow, where that 1901 marriage took place.


If Frederick Mundy married Rose Brain in 1901:

Deaths Mar 1911
Mundy Fred 0 Rotherham 9c 519
Mundy Rose 33 Rotherham 9c 519

... she may have died in childbirth shortly before the 1911 census.


Other Mundy events in Rotherham 1901-1911:
- William 1906 and Lily 1908 are with parents William and Ada in Rotherham in 1911.
- Minnie died 1907 aged 4 could be Minnie Cecilia born 1902 Sheffield, who could be a child of Frederick
- there were also a Thomas Q1 1904 and Sarah Jane Q4 1904 born in Sheffield; Sarah Jane is with father John Henry 1871 in 1911

More information from the 1901 Census

Name Age
Geo Waterman 46 Excavator (Navvy)
Hannah Waterman 56
Thos Waterman 22
Mary Ann Waterman 20
Matthew Marlow 22 Boarder
Fred Mundy 24 Excavator <<<< Navvy added in another hand

address:- 688 Brights Lane



does this fit in with what you know of Frederick??





sylvia

Did you check out all the Fred/Frederick Mundy/Munday on the 1911????




sylvia

Perhaps he married Rose and she died in childbirth:

Deaths Mar 1911
Mundy Fred 0 Rotherham 9c 519
Mundy Rose 33 Rotherham 9c 519

Rose

I'm hearing an echo, Rose. ;)

That was indeed my theory!

Ooops Janey,

Had this thread open for a while then added to it a while later. At that point, Sylvia was the last to respond.

Rose

Thank you so much for your time and interest in helping me.
I will look into all this new info today .

Just to say that you have got the correct family
Parents Sophia and William Mundy
Frederick, Emily, John, Ernest- all born Farthinghoe, Northants
Thomas born Whitnash , Warks.

I have been fortunate that I had quite a lot of info on the family already and have succeeded in solving other mysteries such as when / how the children were " orphaned " .

Frederick ( and any family he may have had) were never mentioned in all of the family folklore so it would be good to clear this up if possible.

Many thanks again
Will update later
Vanessa

Have had a general look around but still piecing stuff together.

It would appear that the George Mundy Janey found was a brother to William Mundy , father to Frederick etc. I did find a Mundy living in the Kimberworth Park I mentioned but at present have no idea who he is and how he relates to any of my Mundys. I sort of feel he must fit in somehow as it seems quite a precise address to give.

I may be wrong but i am also feeling increasingly that the Fred Mundy we may have found is a cousin to my Thomas- the original starting point to my search being the mystery niece Emily Mundy staying with my gg uncle Thomas in1911. She may be the daughter of one of Tom's cousins - sort of feel that is the way it may turn out ??

I need to find more time to look at all this

Thanks again , maybe the night shift will come up trumps again!!

Best wishes
Vanessa

On that George Mundy: the househood in 1851 in Farthinghoe, just for ref:

William Mundy 50
Temperance Mundy 39
Thomas Mundy 14
Sarah Mundy 10
Edward Mundy 9
> William Mundy 7
> George Mundy 5
Maria Mundy 2
Phebe Sabin 45

George doesn't seem to have had a son Frederick (George is pretty easy to find in the censuses - they're Munday in 1861). But there are other siblings. ;)


You really need niece Emily's birth certificate. It could answer a lot of questions.

Thanks Janey , I really appreciate your time and thoughts. I am going to plot out and x ref everything I know or have access to today .

Will send for the cert , as you say , it will answer my query and give me more info on Frederick etc if he is her father. It would appear even if he is not that Emily will fit into the family picture somewhere.

Much appreciated
All the best
Vanessa