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I'm so sorry AuntySherlock but I completely missed your last post. I hope you don't think I was ignoring you after you've been so helpful.

I don't know whether they could have emigrated as I haven't anyone to talk to who knows about them. I have a feeling that Thomas died but the one I'm really surprised at not being able to find is Sarah Evans (nee Morris). I even started to google to see if there had been a murder by Richard Evans (active imagination - LOL) as i thought he might have killed off his mother and father-in-law in 1873 and then bumped off Sarah. Well, that might account for why her death wasn't registered. LOL

Are you certain they did not emigrate. Could they possibly have gone to Australia, USA, Canada, Ireland etc?

It is so strange they have completely disappeared. All of them. I found the entry for Thomas Moore in Australia with some matches but it did say he was born in Australia. I keep wondering if that could have been an error.

Here is his christening

Name: Thomas Morris
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 8 Jul 1833
Christening Place: Tettenhall, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name: Richard Morris
Mother's Name: Ann
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Hi Tootsie, I used the LDS Family Search Org site.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

If you click on the advanced search it enables you to put in the names of the parents. I just advanced the date by 10 years each time until Thomas was 100 years from birth.

Now!! Just because I did not find it on that site does not mean he did not die in England. The info just might not be recorded on the LDS site. I will try a search again on Ancestry specifically to find his death.

Hi AuntySherlock,

I'm not sure why I should be confused by the 1851 census? I also have George on the 1851 and 1861 censuses. I've listed below what I have done and what I have missing in case it helps.

I started with my GF, Charles Frederick Morris b 1907 and found his father, Charles Jones Morris b 1882, his father etc etc. My 4 x Gt grandfather, is the Richard married to Ann.

I started with the 1841 census and listed the details on a spreadsheet and then traced those people on the 1851 census. I found that a child called Mary had died between 1841 & 1851 census dates,

In 1851 Thomas and Richard were living outside the family unit and Sarah, Benjamin and Charles had been born since 1841.

In 1861 I accounted for all family members except Thomas.

In 1871 I found that Thomas and George couldn't be accounted for but I found the censuses where others had married and got their own families.

In 1881 I still can't trace Thomas or George but neither can I find Sarah who is now Sarah Evans. (In 1871 she and her husband Richard were living with her parents who both died in 1873).

In 1891 and 1901 I can't trace Thomas, George or Sarah either.

One of the things you mentioned is that there has been no death of a Thomas Morris in England with Richard and Ann as parents. I didn't know you could find that out. I just thought you went on FreeBMD and put in possible dates for a death and looked at those for the right area. What website do you use that enables you to check by putting the parents' names as well? It sounds really good to be able to do that. Does that mean when a death is registered the parents' names have to be given?

This is really going to confuse the issue. Have you seen this 1851 census.

Name: George Morris
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Tettenhall, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Tettenhall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Tettenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Morris 44
Ann Morris 42
George Morris 12
Sarah Morris 7
Benjamin Morris 5
Charles Morris 1

For George. Found him on 1851 and 1861 census. Found his christening 23 Dec 1838.

Hi Tootsie, There are certainly lots of Morris family members to choose from. The Australian connection I found fitted your scenario perfectly until I brought up the fact that particularThomas Morris was born in Australia.

And you are correct there is no death for Thomas Morris in England with Richard and Ann as parents. I searched 100 years forward. Which lead me to believe he may have emigrated. It may have only been down the road to Scotland or across the creek to Ireland. Any thoughts on those theories.

Is this Thomas Morris' christening

THOMAS MORRIS Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 JUN 1845 Drayton Bassett, Stafford, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: RICHARD MORRIS Family
Mother: ANNE

Hi everyone - thank you for your help.

AuntySherlock (love your name BTW) - I did have a note about Sarah being Christened on 04 December 1842 at Tettenhall but this didn't quite fit with the age of 7 on 1851 census so I'll take a look at what you've found.

That is their marriage but what does it mean when it says there are no children? Are these things added afterwards so we know they didn't have children at all - I suppose I was stupidly thinking they hadn't got children when they married. LOL

I'll take a look at the marriage of George to see if it is the one I am looking for. One of his other brothers went off to live in London and one was in Manchester in 1861 so maybe they are a family who moved around.

Thanks again for the help.

Nope that Thomas Morris was born in Australia so that finishes that lead. Bother!

Going to try for George in Australia as well. Can't hurt. We can always delete the info.

George's marriage to Elizabeth?? Not sure. The christening date is a bit out of whack but mum and dad's names are correct. Not certain abut the location not much good at your UK geography.

George Morris
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 02 AUG 1846 Brixton, Hampshire, England

Death:
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: Richard Morris
Mother: Anne


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Marriages:
Spouse: Elizabeth Mintern
Marriage: 07 DEC 1875 Brixton, Hampshire, England

This might be their marriage? Note it says no children.


Husband
RICHARD EVANS

Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 30 AUG 1869 Tettenhall, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:



Wife
SARAH MORRIS

Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 30 AUG 1869 Tettenhall, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:


Children

None

Hi,
Could this be Sarah and her mother and father?

SARAH MORRIS
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 13 AUG 1843 Morton Baggott, Warwick, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: RICHARD MORRIS
Mother: ANNA

Hi Margaret,

Thank you - I didn't actually have it so that has been a great help.

Do you have Sarah's marriage? I came across it while looking for the others. You probably have it but doesn't do any harm to post it:

EVANS, Richard Marriage
Wife: Sarah MORRIS
Marriage Date: 30 Aug 1869 Recorded in: Tettenhall, Staffordshire, England
Husband's Father: Joseph EVANS
Wife's Father: Richard MORRIS
Source: FHL Film 1040885 Dates: 1837 - 1876

I am going around the twist today trying to find Thomas (b c1833) George 9b c1838) and Sarah Morris (b c1843) who were all born in Tettenhall, Staffordshire.

I can find them all on 1851 censuses. George and Sarah were then aged 12 and 7 respectively and lived with their parents, Richard and Ann Morris and their siblings in Tettenhall. Thomas was aged 18 and I think I've found him woking at Beamish Hall, Albrighton as an Agriculteral labourer.

In 1861 I think I have Sarah aged 18 working as a general servant at Dudley Port, Tipton, Staffs whilst George is 23 and working as a Jappaner in Manchester.

I thought I'd found Thomas in 1861 too as having married an Hannah (nee Hodgetts). However having followed them through on subsequent censuses I suddenly found he had a father living with him in 1881 called John - and the father of the one I'm looking for is called Richard.

I have found Sarah in 1871 as she has married a Richard Evans and her and her husband are living in Tettenhall, Staffs with her parents, Richard and Ann.

I can't find George or Thomas in 1871 nor can I find any of them on subsequent censuses. I feel like I must be doing something wrong but at the same time I have been really systemmatic in my approach to finding them.

I can't find a Sarah Morris that fits the age and area as having died between 1871 and 1881.

Any help would be so much appreciated.

Thank you!