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I have details from the igi Peter McDonough birth 28/9/1857 Glasgow, Scotland, parents Bernard McDonough and Helen O'Connor. Can anyone help finding these on the census.

The Mcdonough's in my tree are a nightmare, my gg grandfather is James McDonough who is knowhere to be found, but I am thinking this Peter is his brother, due to very little information I already have.

Any help much appreciated.

Meg

If he moved down to England, then this could be him in 1901:-

Name: Peter McDonough
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane E
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Darlington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer

Registration district: Darlington
Sub registration district: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter McDonough 45
Jane E McDonough 40 - born: Richmond, Yorkshire
Peter McDonough 19 - born: Bedale, Yorkshire
Ralph McDonough 16 - born: Barnard Castle, Durham
Charles McDonough 6 - born: Darlington, Durham

Tracing this family backwards, this is them in 1891:-

Name: Peter Mc Donough
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane E
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Eryholme
Ecclesiastical parish: Eryholme
Town: Eryholme
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Road Contractor

Registration district: Darlington
Sub registration district: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Mc Donough 34
Jane E Mc Donough 29 - born: Brompton-On-Male, Yorkshire
Francis Mc Donough 11 - born: Kirkby Fleetham, Yorkshire
Peter M Mc Donough 9 - born: Kirkby Fleetham, Yorkshire
Ralph Mc Donough 6 - born: Forcett, Yorkshire
Francis Hopps 32 - Lodger

and in 1881:-

Name: Peter Mc Donough
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane E.
Father's Name: Bryan
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Brough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Grand Stand
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Richmond
Sub registration district: Catterick
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Mc Donough 24
Jane E. Mc Donough 20 - born: Richmond, Yorkshire
Francis Mc Donough 1 - born: Kirby Fleetham, Yorkshire
Bryan Mc Donough 59 - Father - born: Ireland

OK, father isn't Bernard so doesn't look to be correct family. Worth keeping though just to know that this is not the correct Peter.

Sorry, don't seem to be able to find another!

Thanks Catherine, thats what I came up with, but wondered if anybody would come up with something else. My gg grandfather James born abt 1852 said his father was Bernard on his marriage certificate 1877 Richmond.

James had a son Thomas, and when Thomas was in prison he said his next of kin was Ralph in Darlington. I'm sure we are on the right track, but can't link Peter and James together. Thomas and his siblings came from Richmond.

Thanks again Catherine, looks like will have to do a bit more digging, maybe the marriage certificate for Peter will help.

Meg

Hi Meg,
From what you have just said it does actually seem to be the correct family now.
However, 1881 census shows Peter's father as Bryon, aged 59yrs. from Ireland. Do you know where James, your GG Grandfather was born. If you can find his birth record you could buy the cert. and see what his parents names were.

for reference,
Marriage for James:-
Marriages Mar 1877
McDONOUGH James Richmond, Y 9d 883
Crabtree Mary Jane Richmond, Y. 9d 883
or
Earl Mary Richmond, Y. 9d 883

if you have the cert. it will show which Mary is the correct one.

Hi Catherine,

I have the marriage certificate for James Mcdonough and Mary Crabtree, I have had a look on Scotlands people as it says Peter was born there, there are a couple of matches but not for Glasgow (haven't paid to view them yet).

James is a complete mystery at the moment. I have ordered Mary McDonough's (James wife) death certificate to see it throws up anything, starting to think James had a second life elsewhere.

Tried looking for Peters marriage details with no luck either.

Possible children to this couple:-

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
McDonaugh John James Richmond, Y. 9d 699

Births Dec 1879 (>99%)
McDonough Isabella Richmond Yk 9d 650

Births Dec 1883 (>99%)
McDONOUGH Thomas Richmond Y. 9d 671

Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
McDonough Alice Mary Richmond, Y. 9d 651

Have you found James and Mary on any census records, as these could give some clues?

Hi Catherine, thanks for sticking with me.

Mary Jane is on the census as Jane, but surnames vary, living in Richmond

1881c
Jane Mc Donald
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Hoegill Richmond, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Richmond
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Castle Hill
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Working In Factory

Registration district: Richmond
Sub registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Mc Donald 26
Tamar Mc Donald 5
John James Mc Donald 3


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1891c

Jane Mc Donough
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Richmond, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: Richmond
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Richmond
Sub registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Mc Donough 33
James Mc Donough 14
Thomas Mc Donough 4
Alice Mc Donough 7/12

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So where on earth was James?
Wonder if he was in the army?

Looks like Alice Mary died 1891 and Isabella 1879.

I have Thomas birth certificate, just waiting on John James my g Grandfather.

Family story James lost both his legs, don't know how, waiting on a death certificate for him possibly 1911/1905 district Goole. This is where my grandad was born another James (James William MacDonald) 1912. His birth certificate says father James(actually it was John James), don't even get me started on his marriage or wife, given up on her til 1911c

If James lost both his legs, then maybe he was in the army. No family stories about that?
Any idea why they changed their name to MacDonald?
Sorry Meg, but have to sign off now. I'll try and look in tomorrow if I have time.

No stories about how his legs. With regards to changing their name there was a family story about John James shooting a policeman in Ireland, not true, it was his brother Thomas shot a sargent in 1917, Charles Clifford Mant. Thomas was also known as Thomas Joseph McDonald, but died as McDonough 1943 in Broadmoor Asylum.

John James McDonaugh born 1877 married as James McDonald in 1914, (father James Mconald deceased bricklayers labourer) died as John James McDonald and McDonough 1956 age 79 Grimsby.

His children
Lillie MacDonough born 1910 Newark father James
James William Macdonald 1912 Goole father James, on my grandads marriage cert his father is John James.
Thomas McDonner 1914 Grimsby father John James.

Have probably confused you even more now, but thanks again Catherine for your time and hopefully some other generous people on gr may take a look and see if they can help (heres hoping).

Meg

Can someone help with the marriage for Peter and Jane E please, can't find anything, someone has her as Wood in there in tree but no definate infomation given. Need to get this ordered to determin if James brother.

Thank you

Just to confuse things even more!!
Searched, 1875 -1881, Richmond marriage between Peter ? and Jane E. ?
Only one came up:-

Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
Davison Margaret Richmond, Y. 9d 841
<<<<<Hayward Peter Richmond,Y. 9d 841
LAWSON Richard Richmond Y. 9d 841
<<<<Whitby Jane Elizabeth Richmond Y. 9d 841

Checked births for Jane E. 1860/61, Richmond and this is the Jane in the marriage:-

Births Dec 1861 (>99%)
WHITBY Jane Elizabeth Richmond Yk 9d 471

there others of course but she is the only who married someone called Peter?

You say that you've given up on James William mother, but you must have this:-

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Macdonald James W (Downes) Goole 9c 1866

mothers maiden name Downes.

Possible marriage:-
Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
BLADES John Richard Toxteth Park 8b 363
Downes Florence Toxteth Park 8b 363
MACDONALD James Toxteth Park 8b 363
Williamson Catherine Young Toxteth Park 8b 363

birth cert. will give his mothers name!

but we're getting away from the point here, sorry!

Thanks Catherine for your input, I do have my grandfathers birth certificate, and his sister who also says Downs, but then marriage for an Annie Robinson to a James McDonald ????????, and my grandfathers brother who is Thomas McDonner mmn Robinson.
I appreciate people reading my threads and a response, you never know .

Thanks again for your time.

Megs