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Hi Mel / Jill.

Sorry I didn't answer you earlier, my computer went awol.

Thank-you both very much indeed.


Kind Regards,

Dave.

Poss birth for George if you order the birth cert it will tell youhis mothers maiden name. You can say you only want it if the mother is Mann.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about George Lees
Name: George Lees
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 707

The marriage cert would show her father's name and occupation which would help to pin her down in the 1861 and earlier.

Jill

What a bu**er three deaths within the right years and right places!!!!!! but all different years of birth about the right years!!!!!!!!!!!

Caroline Lees abt 1841 1879 Kings Norton (To 1912) Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire


Caroline Lees abt 1842 1880 Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire


Caroline Lees abt 1844 1874 Lichfield Staffordshire

So which is the nearest place to Harborne Staffs as George was born there and the family is still there on the 1881 census.

Here is John on the 1881
1881 England Census
about John Lees
Name: John Lees
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Witherley, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Harborne
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: 3 Parkside Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Coachman Domestic

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Lees 37
Sarah Lees 12
John T. Lees 9
George W. Lees 4 born Staffs Harbro
Jane Lewis 36
Frederick Lewis 4


Just going to look as he is a Widower so Caroline must have died between 1877 and 1881

Mel / Jill / Paula.

Thank-you all very much.

Thanks again,

Dave.

Right got them now.

It says Caroline was born in Leics and John.

Caroline 1842 Bistone Leics. The census is transcribed as Burtone Worcs!!

john born 1842 Wickley like you said but transcribed wrong too.

Poss birth for John Lees but there are three all born the same place and about the same years!!

This is the one born 1842.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about John Lees
Name: John Lees
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Atherstone
County: Leicestershire, Warwickshire
Volume: 16
Page: 218

Mel / Jill.

1871 Ref: RG10. Piece: 3074. Folio: 56. Page:18.

John was 29.
Caroline was 29.
Elizabeth was 4.
Sarah was 2.

Thanks again,

Dave.

Hi Jill / Mel.

John was born c1844 in Witherley, Warwickshire.

Their children were:
Elizabeth born 1867 in Merevale.
Sarah born 1868 in Atherstone.
John Thomas born 1872 in Clent.
George W. born 1877 in Harbourne.

Thanks again,

Dave.

So in 1871 - how old is John and what are the names of the children?

Jill

Which ref please for the 1871?

Hi PaulaW.

Thank-you for your reply.

The only census I can find her on is 1871.

Thanks again,

Dave.

I can't seem to find her on the census with husband John in Warwickshire. I don't think the twin birth is the right one. Can you tell me what children they had please?

When was John born?

What were the names (and yob) of their children?

Which censuses have you found them on so far?

Where did they live after they married?

Jill

Have you got her on any census

Hi Mel.

Thank-you for looking this up for me.

I have no idea if she was a twin or not.


Thanks again,

Dave.

Do you know if she was a twin? as there is this birth in Birmingham.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Caroline Mann
Name: Caroline Mann
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 16
Page: 283



Caroline Mann 1848 Jul-Aug-Sep Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire
View Record
Mary Ann Mann 1848 Jul-Aug-Sep Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire

or this one?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Caroline Mann
Name: Caroline Mann
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Market Bosworth
County: Leicestershire
Volume: 15
Page: 172


Marriage
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Caroline Mann
Name: Caroline Mann
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Atherstone
County: Leicestershire, Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 589



John Lees 1865 Atherstone Leicestershire, Warwickshire

Caroline Mann 1865 Atherstone Leicestershire, Warwickshire

Hi.

I am trying to find the Ancestors etc of my Great Great Grandmother CAROLINE MANN.
All I know is she was born c1844 in Leicestershire / Warwickshire.
She married John William Lees in 1865 in Atherstone, Warwickshire. They had 2 Daughers & 2 Sons.

Any assistance / information on this would be very much appreciated.

Kind Regards,

Dave.