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Hi

Any help very gratefully received

I am very new to researching my family tree - and am not sure if I have taken an incorrect branch with my research.

Here's what I have so far ... many apologies for the long list ;-)

John Philpot Beauchamp (b. Essex 1907-1980) - Grandfather
Frances Mary Gransby (b. Barnet/Arkley 1909-1991) - Grandmother
Arthur David Gransby (b. Arkley 1872-1959) - Gt Grandfather
Annie Attwood (b. Needingworth 1880) - Gt Grandmother
George Gransby (b. Barnet 1844-1901) - Gt x2 Grandfather
Mary Ann LUCK (b. Barnet 1845) - Gt x2 Grandmother
William LUCK (b. North Mimms 1811) - Gt x3 Grandfather
Mary Kirby (b. Barnet 1812-1901) - Gt x3 Grandmother
Thomas LUCK (b. Great Munden 1783-1873) - Gt x4 Grandfather
Sarah Osborne (b. Great Munden 1780-1838) - Gt x4 Grandmother
William LUCK (b. Great Munden 1740) - Gt x5 Grandfather
Mary Stiles (b. Hertford 1747) - Gt x5 Grandmother

From here on, this is where I think I may have gone wrong:

Thomas LUCK (b. Shoreditch or Great Munden ? 1704-1765) - Gt x6 Grandfather
Jane Newman (b. Braughing 1719) - Gt x6 Grandmother

I have found Thomas Luck (1704) as being Born/Baptised in St Leonard Shoreditch, London - on the Baptism record it states that he is Thomas of ?(father unknown) and Ellin Luck (but can't find any other information) but then on other records it states him as being born in Great Munden ... which led me to:

Thomas LUCK (b. Great Munden 1675-1756) - Gt x7 Grandfather
Susan Hutchings (b. Ardeley, Herts 1679) - Gt x7 Grandmother
Thomas LUCKE (b. Hertfordshire 1641) - Gt x8 Grandfather
Mary Lawrence (b. Great Munden 1641) - Gt x8 Grandmother

Once again ... apologies for the long list ... but it would be fantastic to know if I am on the right lines.

Many thanks in anticipation of any assistance
Kindest regards,
Michelle

Normally I would wait around the computer after making a post but unfortunately I have to go out for a while - I will respond to any replies as soon as I return

If he is Thomas Luck, 1704, son of an unknown father and Ellin Luck, then surely he is the illegitimate son of Ellin Luck, so where does Thomas Luck, 1675 come in?
If you have conflicting evidence - Shoreditch and Great Munden, do not just pick the most convenient one. What value are the other records - is it just someone else making guesses?

Hi Patchem

Yes, I thought that maybe Thomas Luck (1704) was the illegitimate son of Ellin Luck.

Thomas Luck (1675) I had down as the father of Thomas Luck (1704) - but thinking that through logically that wouldn't really make too much sense

The information from Thomas Luck (1675) / Susan Hutchings (1679) and Thomas Lucke (1641) / Mary Lawrence (1651) was from a fellow researcher.

I'm wondering if maybe I have picked up the wrong Thomas Luck on the Baptism records so I probably need to clarify more details on him first regarding his actual Birth and Location before I can accept the details regarding the earlier Thomas Luck (1675)

As these dates are very early I think that it's going to be quite a challenge - any advice on the best place to start?

Kind regards,
Michelle

George Gransby
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1849 — Barnet, Hertford, England
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1881 — Hendon, Middlesex, England
parents:
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: George Gransby
age: 32
gender: Male
birth year: 1849
birthplace: Barnet, Hertford, England
relationship to head of household: Lodger
marital condition: Unknown
profession / occupation: General Laborer
address: 12 Devonshire Pl
census place: Hendon, Middlesex, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341332
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 1367 / 114
page number: 35

George Gransby
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1851 — Barnet, Middlesex
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 31 Mar 1901 — Hendon, Middlesex, England
parents:
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: George Gransby
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
age: 50
relationship to head of household: Boarder
birthplace: Barnet, Middlesex
record type: Household
registration district: Hendon
sub-district: Hendon
ecclesiastical parish: Childs Hill All Saints
civil parish: Hendon
county: Hendon, Hendon, Hendon, Middlesex

THOMAS LUCK Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 APR 1783 Great Munden, Hertford, England



Parents:
Father: WILLIAM LUCK Family
Mother: MARY
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record

Their children.

1. SUSANNAH LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 JAN 1778 Great Munden, Hertford, England

2. SUSAN LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 SEP 1788 Great Munden, Hertford, England

3. JAMES LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 MAY 1769 Great Munden, Hertford, England

4. JANE LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 NOV 1766 Great Munden, Hertford, England

5. WILLIAM LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 FEB 1779 Great Munden, Hertford, England

6. ELIZABETH LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 APR 1765 Great Munden, Hertford, England

7. ANN LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 08 JAN 1775 Great Munden, Hertford, England

8. MARTHA LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 JAN 1778 Great Munden, Hertford, England

9. MARTHA LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 MAR 1786 Great Munden, Hertford, England

10. THOMAS LUCK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 APR 1783 Great Munden, Hertford, England

Groom's Name: William Luck
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Mary Stiles
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 17 Dec 1764
Marriage Place: Great Munden,Hertford,England

Name: William Luck
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Aug 1740
Baptism/Christening Place: GREAT MUNDEN,HERTFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Luck
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Jennet
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04739-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1368166

Mel Fairy Godmother

So looking at this I am probably correct with the William Luck (1740) / Mary Stiles (1747) connection.

From your last post William Luck (1740) - for Mother's Name - would Jennet have been her First Name or Last Name?

If it is her last name then we have found the possible area where I need to back track to

Regards,
Michelle

JANE NEWMAN Pedigree
Female

Christening: 17 JAN 1719 Braughing, Hertford, England

Parents:
Father: TS. NEWMAN Family
Mother: MARTHA
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Ann of GG

I think that may be another George Gransby as I have George Gransby living with his wife and children

Kind regards,
Michelle

I have a Jennet in my tree so it would be her first name.

I can't find a marriage for a Jennet though to a Thomas Luck.

So, if her first name was Jennet - I don't think that would be an alternative name for Jane (Newman). Do you?

Which probably means that this is the point where my research has gone astray.

You can't really say that as don't forget not a lot of people in these years could read or write and would'nt know if they had been mistranscribed or just spelt wrong by whoever wrote the things down.

People in these years also did'nt travel very far from where they were born.

I have to go out soon but will have a look later when I return to see if you have got any further.

Mel

Mel

I'm going to go back over the facts I have collected on the Luck's to clarify details then will see where that takes me next

Thanks a million for your help
Michelle

Okey dokey ... so I've started to go back ... I now have confirmation of:

Mary Ann Luck (1845) - confirmed on her birth certificate was her father; William Luck and mother; Mary Kirby
Mary Ann Luck (1845) - confirmed on her marriage certificate (21 May 1866) spouse; George Gransby

William Luck (1811) - I have him on 1841, 1851, 1861 census forms with children - on all of them he has stated his birth place as either North Mimms or Hertfordshire living in and around the Barnet / Arkley area.

I have William Luck (1811) marriage details confirmed on a search as being 18 March 1833, Chipping Barnet, Hertfordshire to Mary Kirby

I then did a search for Willam Luck (1811) birth using that data and the nearest I have found is: William Luck christened 07 October 1810, North Mimms, Hertfordshire with father named as William Luck and mother as Sarah

I then searched for a marriage between a William Luck and a Sarah in the North Mimms, Hertfordshire area and found a William Luck married to a Sarah Sames on 26 December 1806.

I haven't been able to find any other details on this William Luck or Sarah Sames to verify birth years / locations / parents etc

I'm still looking ... determined to get to the bottom of this.