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hi trying to find anything about grandad who was born john stanley or just stanley lovatt from lambeth london born 1884. his father we are told was called john and his wife was mary elizabeth maddern and if they were married. any ideas
sorry seem to have got myself confused john stanley was grandad he married grace and thanks for those who have found that for me but cant find john stanley birth in london and was told his father called john also and his wife was mary elizabeth maddern and cant find any marriage for these two so not sure if wasnt born out of wed lock seems my family have that as well as in breeding lol

Is this him?

BIRTH

Name: Stanley Lovatt
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: St Saviour Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)

EDIT looking at the research further down I think Clara is his wife not his mother.

Completely wrong area - but how intriguing!

Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
LOVATT John Stanley Penzance 5c 401
TREMBATH Grace Annie Penzance 5c 401
UREN Agnes Penzance 5c 401
WALLIS Philip Harvey Penzance 5c 401

1891 England Census
about Stanley E Lovatt
Name: Stanley E Lovatt
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Josiah
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Bilston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Bilston
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Josiah Lovatt 35
Clara K Lovatt 10
Stanley E Lovatt 9
Naomi Lovatt 20

Possible 1911 census

TREMBATH, Johanna Head Widow F 68 1843 Sancreed Cornwall VIEW
TREMBATH, Emily Jane Daughter Single F 31 1880 Dressmaker Sancreed Cornwall VIEW
TREMBATH, John Phillips Son M 5 1906 Pendeen Cornwall VIEW
LOVATT, John Stanley Son In Law Married M 26 1885 Tin Miner Blackfriars London VIEW
LOVATT, Grace Annie Daughter Married
3 years F 29 1882 Sancreed Cornwall VIEW
LOVATT, Staley Grandson M 2 1909 Pendeen Cornwall VIEW
LOVATT, Sadie Granddaughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Pendeen Cornwall VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
14089 Reference:
RG14PN14089 RG78PN840 RD300 SD5 ED4 SN19

Registration District:
Penzance Sub District:
St Just in Penwith EnumerationDistrict:
4 Parish:
St Just

Address:
Wheal Carn Pendeen Cornwall County:
Cornwall

George

brummiejan - Valerie said that it was John Stanley's parents who were called John and Grace? Or are you suggesting that they got married 24 years after John Stanley's birth?

That 1891 is incorrect. This would seem to be correct for 1901:


1901 England Census
about John S Lovatt
Name: John S Lovatt
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Just
Ecclesiastical parish: Pendeen
Town: Carnyorth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: St Just in Penwith
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Maddern 76
John S Lovatt 17
John J Eddy 8
William M Eddy 3

Here he is in 1891:


1891 England Census
about John Lovatt
Name: John Lovatt
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Constance
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil parish: St Just in Penwith
Ecclesiastical parish: Pendeen
Town: Carnforth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: St Just in Penwith
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Maddern 66
Elizabeth Maddern 65
Constance Maddern 23
John Lovatt 6

David - I know you are right - just posted it in case there is any connection. And Valerie isn't 100% sure of her information yet! Mind you, 1911 looks to confirm it so probably just a co-incidence.
Jan

1871 England Census
about Constance Maddern
Name: Constance Maddern
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: St Just, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Just
Ecclesiastical parish: St Just
Town: Kelynack
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: St Just in Penwith
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
James Maddern 40
Elizabeth Maddern 44
John Maddern 15
Mary E Maddern 13
Jone Maddern 8
William Maddern 6
Constance Maddern 4
Charles Maddern 2

Hang on - I think that is the marriage as it looks as though Grace was John's wife not his mother. And the children were born in Cornwall.
jan

It seems that he was the illegitimate son of Constance Maddern, who married John Eddy in 1891:

Name: Constance Maddern
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Penzance
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 454 (click to see others on page)

If you look on 1901 there are two grandchildren with the surname Eddy, who I am presuming are Constance's younger children.

Name: Constance Eddy
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 32
District: Penzance
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 175 (click to see others on page)

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
TREMBATH Grace Annie Penzance 5c 276
TREMBATH Grace Annie Penzance 5c 275

Yes you're right Jan, that's what I thought you were implying when you said Valerie may have got confused.

Name: John Eddy
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 39
District: Penzance
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 185 (click to see others on page)

I think this is him in 1901:



1901 England Census
about John Eddy
Name: John Eddy
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Sally
Gender: Male
Where born: St Just, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: St Just
Ecclesiastical parish: Pendeen
Town: Rettallack
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: St Just in Penwith
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members:
Name Age
James Eddy 59
Sally Eddy 61
James Eddy 29
Mary E Eddy 25
Sarah Eddy 22
John Eddy 33
Elizabeth A Eddy 6
Constance Eddy 1

He is listed as a widower.

I didn't mean was she was confused exactly, just that she hadn't yet confirmed the info she was given. Like a lot of family information, it has useful but not always accurate stuff in there! Thank goodness he married someone with such an unusual name.
Jan

Yes, I know what you meant. I think we've found the right family now.