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29 May 2010 22:48 |
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I am looking for the origins of two brothers who left Scotland after marrying their spouses in Dumbarton and came to live in St Helens, Lancs to work in the glass industry.
David Lockhart in the 1871 Census (married to Jane/Jean - nee Boyle) gives his place of birth as 'Stirling, Scotland'.
The 1851 Census had his brother, James Jaffray Lockhart with wife, Elizabeth (nee Ogilvie) living in adjoining houses in Mount Street, St Helens.
I am struggling to find a parish record of their births - c. 1800) and would welcome any suggestions that GR members may have.
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David Owen Blackpool 29 May 2010
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29 May 2010 22:58 |
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1871 For Ref.Name: David Lockhart Age: 70 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Stirling, Scotland Civil parish: Eccleston Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: St Helen County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 24 Household Members: Name Age David Lockhart 70 Jane Lockhart 65 Lilias Drysdale Lockhart 25 John Cathel 31 View Original Record
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29 May 2010 23:00 |
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1841 Name: David Lockhart Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1804 Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Warrington Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Warrington Sub-registration district: Warrington Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age David Lockhart 37 Jane Lockhart 35 Elizabeth Lockhart 14 Jane Lockhart 12 Mary Lockhart 10 Catharine Lockhart 8 David Sechrest 5 View Original Record
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Aileen
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29 May 2010 23:01 |
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Possible births
03/10/1799 LOCKHART DAVID THOMAS LOCKHART/CATHRINE MITCHELL FR259 M BALFRON /STIRLING
10/04/1801 LOCKHART DAVID JOHN LOCKHART/MARY DOW FR445 CAMPSIE /STIRLING
but without parents names they will be almost impossible to trace with any certainty
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29 May 2010 23:04 |
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08/01/1797 LOCKHART JAMES THOMAS LOCKHART/JANET MITCHELL FR256 M BALFRON /STIRLING
23/08/1797 LOCKHART JAMES WILLIAM LOCKHART/ANNE TAGGET FR748 M STIRLING /STIRLING
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29 May 2010 23:05 |
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Just found this one which looks very promising
05/08/1808 LOCKHART JAMES JAMES LOCKHART/AGNES JAFFRAY FR1486 ST NINIANS /STIRLING
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29 May 2010 23:11 |
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Only 1 set of Banns ,so both in the Dumbarton Parish IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAVID LOCKHART Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: JEAN BOYLE Family Marriage: 14 JUN 1823 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M114967 1820 - 1855 1041986 Film 6900826 Film Sheet: 00
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29 May 2010 23:13 |
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Again only 1 set of BAnns.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAMES JEFFRAY LOCKHART Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH OGILVIE Family Marriage: 21 AUG 1818 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M114966 1682 - 1820 1041986 Film 6900826 Film
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29 May 2010 23:16 |
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IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAMES LOCKHART Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: AGNES JAFFRAY Family Marriage: 06 APR 1800 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M114887 1688 - 1754 1041957, 0102128 Film 6902159 Film M114887 1774 - 1870 1041957, 0102128 Film NONE Sheet: 00
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29 May 2010 23:18 |
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IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAMES LOCKHART Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 05 AUG 1808 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES LOCKHART Family Mother: AGNES JAFFRAY
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C114886 1783 - 1819 1041956, 0102127 Film 6902158
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29 May 2010 23:21 |
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IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JOHN LOCKHART Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 24 JAN 1806 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES LOCKHART Family Mother: AGNES JAFFRAY
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C114886 1783 - 1819 1041956, 0102127 Film 6902158 Film
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29 May 2010 23:21 |
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British Isles Search Results | Download | Print
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGNES LOCKHART Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 07 MAR 1801 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES LOCKHART Family Mother: AGNES JAFFRAY
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C114886 1783 - 1819 1041956, 0102127 Film 6902158 Film
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29 May 2010 23:22 |
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IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ISABEL LOCKHART Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 03 FEB 1805 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES LOCKHART Family Mother: AGNES JAFFRAY
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C114886 1783 - 1819 1041956, 0102127 Film 6902158 Film Sheet:
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29 May 2010 23:23 |
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No Bapts. found for David. Can't be that family James to young to marry at 1818
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29 May 2010 23:29 |
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realise tis is not exactly what you are looking for but wonder if it is Elizabeth?
1881
Ellen ADAMS Head W Female 56 Antrim, Ireland Housework Harriet J. HANLON Daur M Female 26 Belfast, Ireland Cotton Winder Isabella MCLOUGHLAN Sister U Female 50 Mayo, Ireland Cotton Piecer Edward HANLON Gd Son Male 3 Manchester, Lancashire, England Harriet E. HANLON Gd Daur Female 2 Manchester, Lancashire, England Elizabeth LOCKHART Boarder W Female 66 Scotland (Charwoman) Catherine BARNES Boarder W Female 50 Ireland Cotton Weaver
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 20 Heath St Census Place Manchester, Lancashire, England Family History Library Film 1341950 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3980 / 11 Page Number 15
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29 May 2010 23:34 |
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Does there marriage on Scotlands people give any extra info?
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31 May 2010 10:05 |
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I am extremely grateful to all who are helping me, Ann of GG, Elle and in Newtown has a child born the Third of April and Baptized the Fourth eighteen hundre
I am disappointed that we can't find 'David'. Could the Church records be missing the name ?
I thought I had found David in the baptismal record as the son of John Lockhart and Mary Dow at Newtown, Campsie, Stirling for 3 April 1801 , but perhaps he is another member of their extended family.
Where and when was David (my great-great grandfather) born?
Thanks once again for such kindness and commitment in doing this research for me.
David Owen Blackpool 31 May 2010
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31 May 2010 10:07 |
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My last posting was garbled to say the least. Lots missed out. Should have previewed before I posted.
Special thanks to Aileen !
Warm regards to you all.
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31 May 2010 11:34 |
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For interest: May be your family
Father: David Lochart, Mother: Jean Boyle
International Genealogical Index
1. LILIAS LOCKART - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 24 JUL 1836 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland 2. DAVID LOCKART - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 05 AUG 1838 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland 3. ISABELLA COCHRAN LOCKHART - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 28 MAY 1826 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 4. MARY LOCKHART - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 11 SEP 1831 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 5. JEAN LOCKHART - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 22 JUN 1828 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
I don't have access to the census but you could try asking for the 1841 onwards, using one of his children's names. I see Lilias is mentioned in the 1871 census .. there's a chance David may mention his birth parish .. allowing you to narrow down a baptismal record (if it exists)
This may be of interest. Parents of Jean Boyle ?
Father: Robert Boyle, Mother: Isabella Cochrane
1. ROBERT BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 30 JUN 1794 Row, Dunbarton, Scotland 2. ISABEL BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 02 APR 1791 Row, Dunbarton, Scotland 3. LILIAS BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 17 APR 1808 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 4. LILIAS BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 17 APR 1808 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 5. MARY BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 08 SEP 1805 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 6. MARY BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 08 SEP 1805 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 7. JAMES BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 19 MAR 1797 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 8. JAMES BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 19 MAR 1797 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 9. JANET BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 14 APR 1799 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 10. JANET BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 14 APR 1799 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 11. JEAN BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 04 AUG 1803 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland 12. JEAN BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 14 AUG 1803 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
Familiar family names handed down here ... especially the mother, Isabella Cochrane. (Isabella Cochrane Lockhart)
Robert Boyle, Spouse: Isabella Cochrane 1. ROBERT BOYLE - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 16 JUL 1790 Cardross, Dunbarton, Scotland
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2 Jun 2010 13:22 |
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Many thanks, Helen, for your great contribution to the debate. I am sure the families you mention are very much part of the whole.
I shall try and draw out the possible connections to whom you point me, and which could be very useful.
Cheers.
David Owen Blackpool 2.6.2010
Very sunny, here !
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