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Looking for information/relatives of John & Elizabeth Ling (nee Piggin/Piggen) Married 11 Mar. 1813 St. Andrew, Norwich, Norfolk. Children were: Sarah Theobald, John Theobald, Jeremiah, Mary Elizabeth & Horatio Dowsing Ling. My Great Great Grandfather was Jeremiah Ling (b) 11 Jan. 1820, St. Mary's Baptist, Norwich, Norfolk.

What information do you already have? Have you got the censuses?

Ozi

I have Marriage Certificate of John Ling & Elizabeth (Piggen) and Register of Births of Jeremiah Ling, the rest are IGI Individual Records.

Beverley

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1841 England Census
Name: Jeremiah Ling
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil parish: St Andrew
Hundred: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: Pottergate Street

Occupation: Weaver [I think]

Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: West Wymer
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Ling 50
John Ling 20
Jeremiah Ling 20
Mary Ling 15
Ann Smith 20 - servant
Mary Robson 15 - servant

You should find the children's baptisms on Family search pilot site.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

Here's Sarah.

Name: Sarah Theobald Ling
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 22 Jan 1815
Birthplace: SAINT MARYS BAPTIST,NORWICH,NORFOLK,ENGLAND
Death Date: 07 Feb 1819
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Ling
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elisabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C09225-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 825333
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Christine

Jeremiah Ling was born in Jan. 1820, I first thought John and Jeremiah were twins but they weren't. John was born in 1817 apparently.

Beverley

Please read the thread that is stickied at the top of this page, from Genes, on how to use this board. It states that there are 'volunteer researchers'. That means they are human beings, not automated machines, and as such, deserve some manners, such as please and thank you. This applies to both threads you have on this board.
Julia in Derbyshire

Ages on the 1841 were rounded down so anyone aged between 24 and 20 would show as 20 years old.

Christine

So this means you HAVE seen the 1841 census.

Which other censuses have you seen? Just so we don't duplicate.

Ozi

Sorry, thanks to all, a bit new at this.
Beverley

Thanks, Ozibird, I have seen the 1841 census. I'm not sure about the Occupation weaver though, on his death certificate it has Decorator, although I have seen, Guilder, Carver, also "Gentleman".
Beverley

Thanks, Christine, for the information about ages being rounded down on 1841 census.
Beverley

Ozibird, Not sure now whether I have been through all the Census after 1841, I know Jeremiah was in Australia in Sept. 1885.
Thanks, Beverley

OK, I'll have a look for 1851-1881.

As for 1841 occupation, both he and his brother John have ditto occupation as mother, Elizabeth. Hers is 'M'. I wondered if it was 'W' as it is very similar to the 'W' in Weaver that is also on that page.

According to FreeCEN, "Instructions to Enumerators" for the 1841 Census required the use of standard abbreviations for Occupations.

and also:
"M." is supposed to be Manufacturer and "m." is supposed to be Maker. Enumerator's often used them interchangeably and it is sometimes an abbreviation for Miner.


There wasn't a 'W' for weaver. So it looks like they could be Manufacturers of something. Unfortunately she is an Annuitant in 1851.

Marriages Dec 1844
CROWFOOT Robert Norwich 13 667
CULYER Margaret Norwich 13 667
LING Mary Elizabeth Norwich 13 667
Taylor Samuel Norwich 13 667



1851 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Ling
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1787
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: South Walsham, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Whittingham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: Hall

Occupation: Annuitant

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Registration district: Henstead
Sub-registration district: Humbleyard
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Taylor 31 - farmer; Deopham, Norfolk
Mary Elizth Taylor 27
Julianna Taylor 5
Laura Elizth Taylor 2
Elizabeth Ling 64
Elizabeth Minns 16 - house servant
Matilda Hubbard 22 - cook
William Ward 34 - farm bailiff
Ann Ward 32
Mary Ann Ward 6
Henry Wm Ward 3
George Ward 1
Henry Smith 24 - relative; ag lab

No luck with Jeremiah at all. Have you found him entering Australia?

He may have emigrated somewhere else first then travelled to Australia.

Ozi

Thank you Ozibird, I appreciate very much the information you have found. I was told as a child there was a big "Estate" or an "Estate" which was wound up at some stage, I don't know what year - one of my Great Grandmother's brother's went to England (Norwich?) to see about it.
Beverley

Ozibird,

Jeremiah Ling married in Melbourne, Australia, in September, 1855. I could not find him coming into Melbourne by ship in 1851 or 1852. I am getting a relation to check coming into Sydney Australia in those years for me.
Beverley

I am related to this same family; and there was a bit of excitement when Elizabeth's father John died, leaving significant estate. NB the Colman mentioned in here is a member of the Colman's Mustard family; the families were connected by marriage.
"Will 1853, No. 62, Norwich Consistory Court [SUMMARY]
Effects sworn under £2000. John PIGGIN of Calvert Street, Norwich, gentleman, dated 19 May 1849. Executors: brother-in-law Jeremiah COLMAN of Norwich and Edward BLAKELY Senior of London Street, Norwich, silk mercer. To wife Mary PIGGIN interest arising from property and rents for life and all household goods. Estate in Calvert Street to be sold for the benefit of wife Mary PIGGIN for her life. After her decease, £800 to daughter Ann PIGGIN and the remainder equally between daughters Mary BRADY the widow of Gosker BRADY and Frances PIGG the wife of Samuel PIGG. Codicil: revoking bequest of £800 to daughter Ann PIGGIN, instead bequeathing her £1000 after the death of wife, dated 12 Nov 1850. Codicil: replacing bequest to daughter Mary BRADY instead giving to son-in-law Samuel PIGG and his brother “my friend” Joseph PIGG one moiety of his personal estate to invest for her benefit for life, thereafter to her children. Dated 15 Mar 1851. Thomas THEOBALD of London Street Norwich appointed executor in place of Jeremiah COLMAN deceased 6, dated 19 Dec 1851. Testator died 22 Mar 1853."

Julian

Beverley posted this two years ago, it may be better to send a private message by clicking on her name as she may not be checking the boards now