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Ok peeps i need some help....!!!!!

I have been waiting for some certs, and ordered 2 certs of a child, both of the children had the same name (couldn't be exactly sure which one was mine) so ordered a sister who i know def was mine to compare.... also ordered the parents marriage cert.

I now have a huge problem !!! Both the children of the same name are mine!!! .....with no death. All certs cross reference with each other seperately but they don't all match together....

I have the following.

Marriage:

William Liggins 28, Widower, Screwmaker, Wood's Bank, John Liggins Father, Labourer.
Rosetta Ward, 23, Spinster, Darlaston, William Ward Father, Porter.

1870, Butcroft, Darlaston
Maria Liggins, Father William Liggins, Screw Forger, Mother Rosetta formerly Ward, registered by Rosetta.

1875, 59 Hill Street, Darlaston
Maria Liggins, Father William Liggins, Bolt Forger, Mother Ann formerly Ward, registered by William.

1877, 59 Hill Street, Darlaston
Harriet Liggins, Father William Liggins, Bolt Forger, Mother Rosetta Liggins, registered by William.


Can someone please give me their opinions!!

Did he secretly have sisters on the go...in the same house?

I know this is going to really frustrate me..... I just want an end to all this....and the more i order the worse it gets!

Tracey

i know its not much help but perhaps you have the same troubl as some of mine was rosettas name rosetta ann or vise versa i have one that used to be called by thier second name on census etc but registerd child by first

1881 William's wife is Ann here

LIGGINS, William Head Married M 50 1831 Screw Maker
Darlaston
LIGGINS, Ann Wife Married F 45 1836 Screw Maker Wife
Nottingham
LIGGINS, John Son Single M 16 1865 Iron Roller
Darlaston
LIGGINS, Joseph Son Single M 14 1867 Rivet Heater
Darlaston
LIGGINS, Maria Daughter Single F 10 1871
Darlaston
LIGGINS, William Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Wednesbury
LIGGINS, Harriet Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Wednesbury

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
2857 Folio:
73 Page:
14

Registration District:
West Bromwich Sub District:
Wednesbury EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Wednesbury Municipal Borough:
Address:
38 Wood St, Wednesbury County:
Staffordshire

Just to complicate things....
on the 1881 census William is married to Ann

1881 England Census
about Maria Liggins
Name: Maria Liggins
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston

Civil Parish: Wednesbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: 38 Wood St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub registration district: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Liggins 45
Harriet Liggins 4
John Liggins 16
Joseph Liggins 14
Maria Liggins 10
William Liggins 50
William Liggins 8

they are on the 1881 with just one Maria aged 10

Name: Maria Liggins
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston

Civil Parish: Wednesbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: 38 Wood St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub registration district: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Liggins 45
Harriet Liggins 4
John Liggins 16
Joseph Liggins 14
Maria Liggins 10
William Liggins 50 occ Screw maker
William Liggins 8


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2857; Folio: 73; Page: 14; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341685.

looks like William called Rosetta- Ann

On the 1871 she's Ann again

1871 England Census
about Maria Liggins
Name: Maria Liggins
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Darlaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Darlaston
Town: Darlaston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:
Registration district: Walsall
Sub registration district: Darlaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Liggins 39
John Liggins 7
Joseph Liggins 3
Maria Liggins 1
William Liggins 41
Elizabeth Nanh 16
Mary Ward 14

Thanks for your effort guys...xx

Jeanette

Rosetta chanfged her name on all the census's....from Rosetta, to Ann and then Henrietta and died under tha name Henrietta!!

All the census's have the same Year of Birth and same place, just her name changes slightly.

The problem i have is that i have 2 Maria's and no death, the first is ok til you add the second, then when you add on the sister it gets confusing....!!

Now if you wanted to read my other thread on Maria titled Maria Liggins, Kings Hill....you'll see why i have issues.

Maria continuously lied about her gae and her birth, then married the first guy she met, shacked up with the second (and had my partners GGrandfather) and then bigamously married her last hubby..... ironically her first hubby outlived the lot!

So now i order her birth cert and another can of wriggly things has opened....Grrr

T xx:)

I need to try and find Rosetta if he has shacked up with the sister?

And i need to find Both Maria's on the same census in the same area.

They were born about 100 yards apart almost 5 years apart to the day.

Families eh?

T xx

Maria in 1891
Name: Maria Liggins
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Darlaston
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Darlaston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:1-5 Court Bell street

Occupation:Bolt Screwer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Walsall
Sub registration district: Darlaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Maria Liggins 22
Emily Marlow 23
John Marlow 7
Joseph Marlow 13
William H Marlow 32 occ Nut and bolt Forger



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2246; Folio 82; Page 28; GSU roll: 6097356.

I went on a little trek yesterday to Darlaston, and all the properties Maria lived in have been pulled down and something else is there....

...i'm convinced she's deliberatley taking the micky outta me....

T xx

There were 2 William's born in the same year, your's must be William Thomas but I wonder what William Henry would reveal

William Henry Liggins 1873 Jul-Aug-Sep West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire


William Thomas Liggins 1873 Jan-Feb-Mar West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire


He died but the same woman can't have given birth to both or could she?

William Henry Liggins abt 1873 1873 Jul-Aug-Sep West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

Thanks for that Claire, i'm not discounting anything.... however...I need to add...our William was from Warwickshire somewhere!!

The census have him from Burbage or Bedworth !!

His marriage cert has no middle name (altho that doesn't mean one doesn't exist)

...can you see why i want to cry?

T xx

It could be worse, they could have been Smith's or some of our Welsh Jones'!

I have a family on the other side also Staffordshire, the dad was called Thomas Thomas....and i just knew as soon as the census page opened where i was going to...and sure enough born Wales.... I thought great that reduces the options down to the last 500,000 names!

T xx :)

I've had someone have a pop at me because my Mary Thomas has a POB of Wales. She's a marriage, my Mum remembers her, I'm not spending a forture trying to find where she was born so she's shelved pending the 1911

William Liggins married Rosetta Ward 1859 mar qt West Bromwich gro ref 6b 740

1861 census.
William Liggins 1830 Burbidge Warwickshire.
Rosetta wife 1837 Nottingham.
Mary A Liggins dau 1857 Wolverhampton

Hey Margaret,

Yeah i have that, and i don't think William is Mary A's father. Mary A was born a Ward. Illegitimate child of Rosetta.

I am now tempted to order all the other children's certs inc Mary's and see what they throw up...lol

Tracey

Could he have remarried?

1878


William Liggins,,
Hannah Harris,(Ann)?

Foleshill--Warwickshire..--6d---573 A/J.

Hey Kay

That William belongs to another family....

I have just spoken to the local history office in Staffordshire, they tell me it's quite plausable they called their children by another name other than the one baptised/registered as. So therefore they may have forgotten they registered their first child as Maria!

Plot gets thicker!!

Tracey

Right peeps, i have to go to work....

Can i thank you all for your input.

If anyone has any other thougths, idea or theories can you please post them....

...i'm not discounting anything currently.

Tracey xx