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i am trying to trace any information regarding my grandfather arthur frederick kitchin born in wandsworth in 1908 and died in colchester in 1999. he was married to beatrice charlotte helm. Teresa

1881 - connection maybe?

Emily KITCHING Head M Female 24 Mile End, Middlesex, England Baby Linen Maker
Fredk.T. KITCHING Son Male 1 Camden Town, Middlesex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 57 Locksley St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341103
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0470 / 67
Page Number 53

This is the only one in 1911 with a Wandsworth connection.

1911 address search redefine current search
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KITCHEN, Arthur Head Married
6 years M 30 1881 General Labourer Kensington London VIEW
KITCHEN, Mary Wife Married F 28 1883 Walsworth VIEW
KITCHEN, Edith Daughter F 5 1906 Battersea London VIEW
KITCHEN, Arthur Son M 3 1908 Battersea London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2159 Reference:
RG14PN2159 RG78PN74 RD26 SD1 ED16 SN411

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
East Battersea EnumerationDistrict:
16 Parish:
Battersea

Address:
102 Longhedge St Battersea SW County:
London

But unless we know his father's name/occupation we can't be sure. You need to get his marriage certificate.

This is his marriage:

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Arthur F Kitchen
Name: Arthur F Kitchen
Spouse Surname: Helm
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1927
Registration district: Kensington
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 293
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

EDIT - bride is Charlotte Helm (No Beatrice mentioned)

Thank you for the information regarding my grandfather arthur frederick kitchen. Im fairly sure it is my grandfather, date of birth and name of his parents and sister are correct.My grandfather spelt kitchen as kitchin. I have sent off for the marrage certificate for arthur frederick and charlotte helm. it is worth doing for the lead. My grandad also had a brother called william. are you related to the family? Sadly my mother Irene, arthur kitchen daughter died 5 years ago and my dad who did not have much information on the kitchen family died in feb this year and that is why I have been a bit slow at answering you message. thank you so much for your help and please keep in touch as the marrage certificate may hold some clues .Teresa Cooper

Hello Teresa

No, I am not related. I am just a person on this website who enjoys searching for people to help others (or maybe to keep boredom at bay!). As are most of us. You are unlikely to meet a relative on the boards.

I assume from your latest posting that you know his father was Arthur, his mother was Mary and his sister was Edith.

I'm sorry to hear of your dad's death, take your time in answering messages, we don't go away.

I can't find son William - was he older or younger?

I think the marriage cert to Charlotte Helm is a sensible move. Do it before April 5th when the price goes up!

Post back on here when it arrives. We'll be waiting for you.

Margaret

Hi Margaret, just a quick update re my grandad Arthur Kitchin. I finally recieved the marrage certificate of my grandparents. My grandmothers details were correct although she had used her middle name charlotte. Her fathers details were also correct. My Grandad on the other hand had put a few false details on the marrage cert! he had added a few years to his age. He would have been 18 not 21 when he married. The other strange thing was he put his father as deceased. Arthur Kitchen senior died in 1948. My uncle remembers him as a young boy and the family all lived together and moved to essex when the house was bombed in the war. My Grandfather obviously had things to hide!!! I have sent for my greatgrand fathers death cert he died only a few miles from where i live and i can obtain it locally. If it comes back with his date and place of birth i can hopefully link it with the family who might be great great grandparents in Linconshire. Thank you once again for your help and I will keep you updated on the final link i am looking for.
Teresa

Hi Teresa

Well done on getting the marriage cert. You say Charlotte's details were fine, so presumably you already knew who her father was and the certificate has just confirmed it? Do be careful not to just accept what the certificate says. You didn't give any details of her father on your post.. It might now be a good idea to do so, so we can check if we can find her and her father in 1911.

Arthur Frederick we reckon was born 1908, so 19 when he married. Was Charlotte older than him? Or did he make himself over 21 cos the marriage was not approved of by his parents? Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

I just don't want you to accept this certificate cos it "fits" what you think is right.

I still can't find the birth of a Beatrice Charlotte in any reasonable year. What makes you think she was called Beatrice Charlotte and not just Charlotte?

Hi Margatet,my nan Charlotte was born in 1904 and I have a copy of her death certificate. She was older than my Grandad who when alive said he had 3 ages!

My Nans Father was Joseph who was a house painter. I know this is correct because I have a copy of his marrage certificate and my mums cousin remembers her grandad Joesph who was a house painter.

My late mother always said that her mother was Beatrice Charlotte but mums cousin always refers to my nan as auntie Charlotte. My mothers sister registered my nans death and put her name as Beatrice Charlotte on the death certificate of which I have a copy.

the witnesses to hte marrage of my nan and Grandad were Betsy Halen and Maggie Crockett. Strange as I have no idea who these people are nad my nans mother had died but she was one of 13-15 childeren and had older sisters. My Grandad had an older sister and according to my unce parents who were alive at that time. my mother was born 11 months after they married although concealed her age from everyone and left clear instructions to me before she died not to put her age anywhere including in the paper on on her headstone. I didnt of course although it will be a bit s
trange when we add my late dads details to the headstone because I dont know if I should put his age on or not. Everyone knew it and he made no secret of it!

I knew this would be a difficult task due to my Mums refusal to give many details, its like opening a can of worms!

Thanks for your reply
Regards

Teresa

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Beatrice Charlotte Helm
She was baptised Beatrice Charlotte:

Name: Beatrice Charlotte Helm
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 18 Jan 1905
Father's Name: Joseph Helm
Mother's Name: Mabel Helm
Parish: St James, Fulham
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
County: Middlesex

I'm still not finding a birth record for Beatrice/Charlotte, but no matter. I think you already know that her parents are Joseph Helm and Mabel McGrath. The 1911 census gives them as having had 11 children, 3 of whom died, and there are 3 more children born after the census.

You started off wanting information about Arthur Frederick Kitchin though, and so far we've only found that his parents were Arthur and Mary.

Here's Arthur Frederick's birth:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Arthur Frederick Kitchin
Name: Arthur Frederick Kitchin
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 543 (click to see others on page)

And I reckon his parents' marriage:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Arthur Kitchin
Name: Arthur Kitchin
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Kensington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 168 (click to see others on page)

Spouse Mary Elizabeth Tappenden.

That confirms that William A Kitchin born 1912 is the missing brother, mmn Tappenden.

Do you want us to help you go further back with either the Kitchen/Kitchins or the Helms?

Hi Meg thanks for the information.

I have Tappendens buried locally in Wakes Colne churcyard near Chappel, Colchester Essex.
Other family members are also there who I remember from my childhood.
I have visited the graves ,one has the name Mary Ann Tappenden died 1951 age 94 years and Frederick Tappenden age 82. I cant read his date of death.
The Tappendens are related to my Grandad Arthur. I remember an aunt lal who I was told was his aunt.
I have followed some leads about my Grandads Father Arthur Kitchin who was married to Mary Ann. My mother said they came originaly from Linconshire. I have the Kitchin info from 1891 1nd 19001 census. There is a son Arthur born 1877 but a fellow member also has that branch of the Kitchins on her tree and it would appear that har Arthur was married to Dorothy James in Ipswich Suffolk in 1918.

I would like to try and find out where my Grandads father came from and where the linconshire connection my mum spoke about came from.

I have sent for the death certificate for Great Grandad who my mums brother said is buried in Chappel churchyard who he thinks died in 1948. I will keep you informed when it gets here.

Thnaks once agin for your help. I hope to try nad get info from the local connection and parish records next week during school hols.

Teresa

I can see no death in 1948, but this one fits his age:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Frederick A Tappenden
Name: Frederick A Tappenden
Death Registration Month/Year: 1943
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 818

Your grandad's mother is Mary Elizabeth, not Mary Ann. Her mother is Mary Ann.

You say there is another son Arthur born 1877 - who's son is he?

I would be very careful using details from other people's family trees, they are not always correct. By all means use them as a guide, but do your own research to prove.

Margaret

This could be Arthur and his father (born Lincolnshire).

1901 England Census
about William Kitchin
Name: William Kitchin
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 111
Household Members: Name Age
William Kitchin 53
Arthur Kitchin 20

I can't find the family in 1891, can you tell me who Arthur's mother was?

This could be William's death - age a little out, but perhaps whoever notified it wasn't sure.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about William Kitchen
Name: William Kitchen
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 55
District: St Pancras (1902-1977)
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1b
Page: 64 (click to see others on page)

1901 England Census
about Frederick A Tappenden
Name: Frederick A Tappenden
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick A Tappenden 39
Mary A Tappenden 41
Mary E Tappenden 18
Eliza Tappenden 11
Jane E Tappenden 9
Frederick A Tappenden 3
Jane Witerson 29

Hi thanks for details.

The information re Frederick Tappenden is useful thankyou.
I have my Grandads parents details from his birth certificate.

Arthur Kitchin and Mary Elizabeth Kitchin formerly Tapenden.
14 Alfred Street Battersea
Arthurs occupation builders labourer.
Grandad born at 14 Alfred street 31st Jan 1908 and birth registered 17th March 1908.


regards

Teresa

Hi Meg,

I recieved the certificate of death of my Great Grandfather Arthur Kitchin this morning (my Grandad Arthur Kitchins dad)

He died on 12th August 1948 in Chappel Essex age 66 years. It was my grandad who registered his death but knowing his track record I can only hope he had the correct age entered! Great Grandads occupation was entered as maintenence engineer(retired) and his adress 1 Eastcourt Road Fulham.

Regards

Teresa

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