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John Donald wife Catherine nee Burns I beleive he was a shoe maker from Scotland settled in Russell NZ with his son Robert and Roberts wife Isabella Donald who was also a Donald before her marriage John and Catherine born in Scotland appox 1800 died NZ Robert born 1822 Scotland died 21.5.1894 NZ Isabella born 1840 Scotland died 19.9.1911 NZ
Regards Pat

Any possible dates?

Would it not have been better to add this to your other thread about thiss family?

I am searching again can you help some more?The info I now have is Jonn Donald m Catherine Burns 30.10.1803 St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland They had Robert b..abt 1822 in Scotland died 21.5.1894 Auck.NZ He married Isabella Donald nee Donald in Scotland she was b abt 1819 and died 18.10.1911 Auck.NZ
Question is did they have a son called John also in Scotland?
Robert ,Isabella and their 3 children Isabella,John and William went to NZ on the ship Frenchman in 1860 to settle in Russell In 1862 they had Ellen Margaret my G/Gran
I now have an Ann Catherine Donald b. 27.9.1865 in Russell NZ reg no 1865/9030 who married a Peter Hughes1886/2640 and she died 1935/14997 Ann is listed as her parents as John and Isabella Donald
As the family kept using same names I am lost can you help as to who Anns John is?
Regards Pat

Patrecia,

It might be best to amend your heading to include Scotland as well, so people who have access to Scottish records might be able to help you.

Thank you for your suggestion I tried to do as you said but guess I didnt do it right as to amending the heading will try again tonight and hope I havent done it twice and upset anyone Regards Pat

Patrecia,
I am confused ( not too difficult for me)

If Robert and Isabella went to NZ in 1860 with 3 children named Isabella, JOHN and William, who is your question referring to?

"Question is did they have a son called John also in Scotland?"

You are also asking about "Ann's John.?"

I am not sure what it is that you are looking for

Sorry
Anne

Sorry I know it is confusing as family kept using same names
My question is did John Donald and Catherine Burns have a son John (brother to Robert)in Scotland?if so did he go to NZ also?
Robert and Isabella had 3 children in Scot (John again and Isabella and William)and went to NZ and had Ellen In NZ
I have a Ann Catherine Donald b.1865 whose parents are listed as John and Isabella I dont know where Anns parents come from it cant be Roberts children
Does this make sense to you?
Ta again Pat

Oh, I see now.
I was confusing Robert with Ann's father

As you say, a couple named John Donald and Catherine Burns married in 1803 and the Banns were read in both Stirling and in St Ninians.

If Robert was their son, bear in mind he was born about 20yrs into the marriage and therefore would be a younger child born to this couple, so I expect there will be lots of older siblings
I cannot see any births on Family Search

Robert Donald and Isabella Donald married in Clackmannan on 27 Feb 1844
This will be them in 1851:
1851 Scotland Census
about Robert Donald
Name: Robert Donald
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella Donald
Gender: Male
Where born: Clackmn, clackmshire
Parish Number: 466
Civil parish: Clackmannan
Town: Craigrie
County: Clackmannanshire
Occupation: Quarryman Stones
ED: 7
Page: 18 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 67
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1851_96
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Donald 27
Isabella Donald 26
John Donald 5
Isabella Donald 2

Are you sure that Roberts parents also went to NZ or have I mis understood that too?
They would be rather old to immigrate in 1860 ( that's 57 yrs after they married!) making them at least 75 -80 yrs old

Anne

Not sure about Roberts parents going to NZ
Robert and Isabella with Children went as assisted immigrants in 1859
John is the problem I cant solve that is why I wondered did Robert have a brother John
Roberts Father is John
Robert and Isabella had a son John
Now have Ann with parents John and Isabella!!!
Maybe a clue I have Anns Father listed as Publican in Russell
Ellens Father listed as Shoemaker in Russell
Ellen was born in 1862 Ann in 1865 so sounds like Robert did have a brother John but then we have wives as Isabella again!!!

Ann sorry just one more thing I have found 2 registers for marriages under John Donald and Catharine Burn (this is how name reads)
Marriage 30.10.1803
Stirling ,Stirling Scotland
indexing M11490-6
System Scotland -ODM
Source folm 1041977.0102132 1041977.0102137
The other being Marriage St Ninians Stirling Scotland
Indexing M11 488-7
source film 1041957
0102128
Does this help?

Hi Pat
It's not two marriages. These are the marriage Banns which are found in the Old Parochial Records (OPR)
The Banns are read in the home parishes of BOTH the bride and groom.
This indicates that of them was from Stirling and the other from neighbouring St Ninians.
You would need to obtain a copy of each OPR to determine which of them lived in Stirling, and who was from St Ninians

Anne



Anne

Ta again Anne
Re marriage notices that sorts that mystery out to me that is
Do you know any way I can check to see if John Donald Snr and Catherine had a son John or other children?
I know from other search and I cant remember how I did it now that John Donald Snr vouched for Robert and his family to travel to NZ on the Frenchman so if there is another son maybe he followed at a later date
Oh dear this is staring to get TOO hard!!
Pat

Hi Pat,
Family Search does not have any births for John Donald and Catherine Burn ( any variation in spelling), so I checked on Scotlands People.

I can find only one birth, and I cannot be certain it is the same couple who married in Stirlingshire 1803
Child:
Elizabeth Donald b 1813 Logie, Perth. Parents: John Donald and Kath Burn.


Have you considered that the person who vouched for Robert and Isabella could be part of Isabella's family rather than her husband?
They were both called Donald.
According to the 1851 census, both Robert and Isabella were from Clackmannan. ( son William was born in 1857 and does not appear on this)

I worked backward and looked at 1841 returns in this area. There were very few families called Donald. Many were single people working on farms.
I think it is more than likely that Robert and Isabella were related... possibly cousins.

I also looked at 1841 returns in Perthshire.... Donald was a very common name in this county!

Anne

Ta Ann
Will give it a rest for a week and will try may be to see if I can tie up some ends from NZ
True I never gave Isabellas family a thought and have been so busy chasing John and Catherines side I now realise I havent any connections for Isabella re parents or siblings
As for being cousins I think that is very probable
As for name Donald yes it would be more helpful if was something less common
Cheers Pat

Ann
Just one more question is there anywhere on Genes I could put out a message to see if there is any descendants of Ann Catherine Donald daughter of John and Isabella Donald John was a publican in Russell she was b 27.9.1865 in Russell NZ m Peter Hughes in 1886 and died in 1935 all in NZ
Thanks again Pat

Pat,
I had a look at the Historical BDMs for NZ and all these children were born to
Charles Peter Hughes and wife Catherine Ann.
(I am assuming it is the correct couple as there are no children born to Peter and Ann Catherine)

Jane Hughes b 1887
Eliza Jane Hughes b 1888
Sarah Ann Hughes b 1891
James Hughes b 1892
Margaret Hughes b 1896
Maurice Hughes b 1899
John Albert Hughes b 1902

I can look at NZ Electoral rolls if you wish.
As NZ geography is not my strong point, I can see that this family lived in Wellington and Charles Peter was a labourer?

Anne

Ta Anne
Tis wrong family Marriage cert said Peter Hughes and Russell is top end of North Is Would just be my luck they didnt have family so no one to trace thru
I have mailed a NZ contact and will see if she can find anything
Cheers Pat