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I am tring to find the Father of James Hoyle 1811c born Woodhouse Farmer and Inn Keeper with a wife Sarah 1814c. .

In doing so I have found a Thomas Hoyle 1806c born Normanton in some census entries. Also a Farmer with a wife Sarah 1801c .
In the 1871 census he is shown as born at Woodhouse
The thing that has thrown me is they both have childen called James and Caroline. Could they be brothers?

where is Woodhouse?

James Hoyle

England and Wales Census, 1861
birth: Woodhouse, Yorkshire

record title: England and Wales Census, 1861
name: James Hoyle
age: 50
gender: Male
birthplace: Woodhouse, Yorkshire
relationship to head of household: Head
record type:

I think it is near Normanton Wakefield.

This looks like Thomas, but can't find James as there are quite a few possibles on familysearch.

Thomas Hoyle
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Apr 1808
Baptism/Christening Place: NORMANTON,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Hoyle
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Francies
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01834-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 98536

Tom Albert Hoyle

England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
birth: 1855

record title: England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
name: Tom Albert Hoyle
gender: Male
burial date: 05 Apr 1909
burial place: Woodhouse, York, England
age: 54
birth date: 1855
indexing project (batch) number: B05342-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1542099

Thanks for the information It's a starting point to try to prove the link.

I'm not sure this one fit's in as I have James's daughter Eliza born 1855C

looks like another brother
William Hoyle

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: York, England
parents: William Hoyle, Frances

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: William Hoyle
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Apr 1813
baptism/christening place: NORMANTON,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: William Hoyle
mother's name: Frances
indexing project (batch) number: C01834-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 990758

Sorry I am still new to this. I have just realised I need to put who I am replying to. Thanks to Flip and Annof Green Gables

Thanks Maddie this looks like Thomas's brother but I still haven't made the link to James.

Just a gentle nudge

I think the silence means no one can find anything, problem is familysearch.org has gaps and missing records - there are a few James's born around the time but not coming up with parents William/Frances or christened Normanton. Sometime you need to look at the actual parish records or transcripts to try to fill in the gaps.

James & Sarah didn't move around very much - this is her 1881. According to the 1871 census (same place) she was a widow, but James was around on 1861 census.

HOYLE, Sarah Head Widow F 63 1818 Innkeeper And Farmer 50 Acres
Altofts
Yorkshire VIEW
HOYLE, George Son Single M 36 1845 Farmer 1 Labourer
Whitwood
Yorkshire VIEW
HOYLE, Sarah Servant Single F 16 1865 General Servant
Whitwood
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
4591 Folio:
93 Page:
27

Registration District:
Pontefract Sub District:
Castleford Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Whitwood Municipal Borough:
Address:
Mexbro Arms, Whitwood County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

Thanks Flip I think you may be right

Don't know if its relevant, but the servant, Sarah Hoyle was with parents James (b c1839) & Harriett Hoyle on the 1871 census at Wakefield Sandal, but I can't read the parents birth places.

on the 1871 James was born in Altofts as was Sarah found by Flipp in 1881
maddie

I think this is the same James, Sarah's father in 1861 - he is the son of Thomas (54) & Sarah (60) you found on the census.

James Hoyle
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Farm Servant
Address Normanton Road
District Wakefield, Sandal
Parish Newland
Administrative County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Birth Place W R York Normanton

So far I know that James Hoyle1840c born Altofts and Harriett 1845c born Methley were my gt gt grandparents.
I am confident his parents were James 1811C and Sarah 1814c and I think that Flip is right Sarah the servant looks as though she worked for her grandmother presumably in the inn the Mexboro Arms following the death of James.

I can't find anymore information on the parents of James senior so I think I will have to visit Wakefield to get any further.

I may come back to this thread in a few weeks to give you all an update but thanks to everyone for trying.

If it's any help, both the families of James & Thomas were on the 1841 census at Sandal.

Let us know how you get on, good luck