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Trying to find my great Grandfathers birth cert. In the 1861 census he is living with his parent Thomas and Mary Holmes at 17 Brook Street, Salford, Manchester aged 20. it states he was born in Abergaveny Wales. I have his marriage cert. He married on 20 march 1864 aged 22 years. and he still lived in Brook Street at the time. I have not been able to trace his birth records in Wales. Would be grateful if anyone can help me with this. It would then give me his mother maiden name.

well what's his name? surely not Ziggy?

perhaps if you gave us is name ?

Robert?

1861 for info

Name: Robert Holmes
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Abergavannah, Wales

Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Holmes 60
Mary Holmes 62
Thomas Holmes 22
Robert Holmes 20
Edward Holmes 18

Elvis?

Probably a title to catch the eye !!!!


Birth simply might not have been registered as not compulsory until mid 1870's

Sorry about that his name is Name ROBERT HOLMES. thanks for the quick reply

regards
jean

Yes that all the correct info.

With one child born in Ireland & another in Hounslow and with the occupation of father as pensioner - wonder if father had been in the Army

Name: Robert Holmes
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Abergavannah, Wales

I thought if I could have found Robert Holmes birth certificate it would have lead me to his mother maiden name and then i could have done more research.

Name: Thomas Holmes
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 8 Apr 1838
Father's Name: Thomas Holmes - Private 12th Lancers
Mother's Name: Mary Holmes
Parish: St Paul, Hounslow Heath
Borough: Hounslow
County: Middlesex



Just posting this while I have a look round

Is there anyway I could find out if he had been in the army?

I think Ziggy was Jean's board name once - 'zat you, Jean? ;)

How about the birth certificate of a younger child?


This is brother Edward in 1861:

Name: Edward Holmes
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
>> Where born: Dublin, Ireland

Thomas and Mary were born in Ireland as well; Thomas Jr was born in Hounslow, Middlesex (all per the 1861 census).


Two Thomas-s born in Brentford reg dist in 1838, but that's it ...

But that looks to be the right person, the baptism BG posted, so yes, it looks like Thomas Sr was in the military.

Hi Yes Ziggy, it was me. With the help of yourself and the site I managed to find out so much of both sides of my family.
So thanks again for past help.
Re joined site to do further research.
Hoping to find Mary Holmes maiden name. . I know from the 1851 censors she was born about 1799 in Tipperary Ireland.
I also found more of Mary and Thomas 's family in the 1941 census.
There was Thomas holmes herself Mary holmes, their children: John aged 14, Hannah aged 12, James aged 8, Mary aged 6 and Thomas aged 2 . So if I can managed to get one of the childrens birth cert. I may find Mary's maiden name.

Cheers and thanks for your quick replies yesterday.

Not sure if my previous message went through. So... Yes I am the same person re:Ziggy. I rejoinded the site to do mpore research. Last time Iwas able to find out so much about my two sides of the family with the assistance of yourself and the rest of this site.

So now I am hoping to find the maiden name of Mary Holmes born 1799 in Tipperary Irlend. The 1841 census show she was living in Marylebone with husband Thomas Holmes and their children, John aged 14. Hannah aged 12, James aged 8, Mary aged 6, Thomas aged 2.

I am just about to send for Thomas's Birth Cert. Hopfully it's the correct one and hopefully I will then have gained more info on my family history.

Thanks for the quick responses I recieved yesterday from all of you.

Regards.

jean (Ziggy)

Wow! Will this be the date 8th April Thomas was baptised and St. Pauls the church were he was baptised. And his father must have been in the army (Private 12th Lancers) is there anyway I can check his time spent in the army.

Thanks for your great help this site is wonderful withall the quick help that isalways offered.

regards Jean (Ziggy)