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Robert
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13 Jan 2011 18:24 |
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I am trying to find any trace of a man called Hart or Hartt Heaton in the Warrington or Leigh Lancashire area. He married Frances May b Lymm 1879, d Leigh Workhouse aged 36 1915; and had 2 children Jack Hart[t]Acaton[?] Heaton 1904 Warrrington, and Allan Hart Heaton b 1909 Warrington. Allan was adopted by a Methodist minister Rev. Unsworth possibly in Lowton. Any help please! Sue.
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GlitterBaby
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13 Jan 2011 18:32 |
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1911 ?
HEATON, Frances May Patient Single F 32 1879 Housework Cheshire Lymn VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 23251 Reference: RG14PN23251 RD460 SD4 ED21 SN9999 Registration District: Leigh Sub District: Atherton Enumeration District: 21 Parish: Atherton Address: Union Workhouse Leigh Lancashire
Do you have the marriage cert? Or even a birth cert to give some idea of his occupation?
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13 Jan 2011 18:37 |
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Do you have either of the birth certs?
Births Sep 1904 (>99%) HEATON Jack Hartt Warrington 8c 222
Births Dec 1907 (>99%) HEATON Allen Hartt Warrington 8c 196
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13 Jan 2011 18:40 |
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Just for info
Name: John Hart Acaton Heaton Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1904 Christening Date: 21 Aug 1904 Christening Place: Latchford, Cheshire, England Father's name: Hart Heaton Mother's name: Frances May Heaton
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13 Jan 2011 18:44 |
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There is a Hert Heaton on 1910 USA census but I do not have the right sub to view
Probably too young with birth year of 1889
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13 Jan 2011 18:44 |
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I'm not seeing a marriage of Hart(t) Heaton + Frances.
What evidence is there of the existence of a Hart(t) Heaton??
I think what you're looking at is the births of two children (Jack and Allen) to unmarried parents. Pending confirmation from the certificates, and assuming there is reason to think the mother was Frances May Heaton, I'd say the father was a man whose surname was Hartt.
Inclusion of the father's surname as the second given name of a child of unmarried parents was a very common practice.
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13 Jan 2011 18:48 |
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But Frances May was already Heaton in 1911 as a single woman.
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13 Jan 2011 18:48 |
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This looks like the same lady who was in the workhouse in 1911 (note on both census marital status is single):
ELLISON, Thomas Head Married M 46 1855 General Labourer Warrington Lancashire ELLISON, Mary E Wife Married F 48 1853 Warrington Lancashire ELLISON, Sarah Daughter Single F 17 1884 Cotton Winder Warrington Lancashire ELLISON, Thomas W Son M 14 1887 Telegraph Messenger Warrington Lancashire ELLISON, James Son M 11 1890 Warrington Lancashire ELLISON, Ada Daughter F 8 1893 Warrington Lancashire >>HEATON, Frances Visitor Single F 22 1879 Barmaid Lymm Cheshire Registration District: Warrington Sub District: Warrington Enumeration District: 50 Ecclesiastical Parish: St James Civil Parish: Warrington Municipal Borough: Address: 30, Knutsford Road, Warrington County: Lancashire
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JaneyCanuck
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13 Jan 2011 18:53 |
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Frances in 1901
Name: Frances Haton Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Visitor Where born: Lymm, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Warrington Town: Warrington
Thomas Ellison 46 Mary E Ellison 48 Sarah Ellison 17 Thomas W Ellison 14 James Ellison 11 Ada Ellison 8 Frances Haton 22 - single, barmaid
You got there first MC -- but I get points for deciphering Ancestry's noise. ;)The image does say Heaton -- I'll leave this here for anyone using Ancestry. Eventually, that entry should probably be corrected there.
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13 Jan 2011 18:54 |
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Found a Hartley Heaton but there's a bride missing.
Marriages Sep 1891 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heaton Hartley Manchester 8d 467 Knapp Walter Henry S Manchester 8d 467 Massa Dioni_io Manchester 8d 467 Mitham Lucy Maria Manchester 8d 467 Podesta Angelina Manchester 8d 467
Just realised it's also too early.
But maybe there's another Hartley Heaton
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13 Jan 2011 18:55 |
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1911 which I nearly posted earlier
ELLISON, Thomas Head Married 34 years M 56 1855 Labourer At Wire Works Warrington Lancashire VIEW ELLISON, Mary Ellen Wife Married 34 years F 57 1854 Assistance At Home Warrington Lancashire VIEW ELLISON JUNR, James Son Single M 21 1890 Wire Weaver Warrington Lancashire VIEW ELLISON, Ada Daughter Single F 18 1893 Glover Maker Warrington Lancashire VIEW VERNON, James Grandson Single M 6 1905 School Warrington Lancashire VIEW HEATON, Jack Grandson Single M 6 1905 School Warrington Lancashire VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 23172 Reference: RG14PN23172 RG78PN1353 RD459 SD4 ED42 SN5 Registration District: Warrington Sub District: Warrington Enumeration District: 42 Parish: Warrington Address: 30 Knutsford Road Warrington
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13 Jan 2011 19:02 |
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1881 household in Newton, Lancs:
> Mary Heaton 35 Edward Heaton 16 Charles Heaton 9 Elizabeth Heaton 8 Johanna Heaton 6 Sarah Ellen Heaton 5 > Frances Heaton 2
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JaneyCanuck
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13 Jan 2011 19:06 |
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Mike*, not catching your drift.
Frances May was Heaton, a single woman, in 1911 -- by which time she had two children.
She is a single woman by the same name in 1901.
She wasn't married. Hart* Heaton didn't exist.
My grandmother's sister was, shall we say, Mary Smith Brown.
Her father wasn't Smith Brown! Her mother was Brown, and Smith was the surname of the head of the household where the mother was employed as a domestic servant, whose son was the father of the child.
That's my bet as to what these records actually reflect.
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Robert
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13 Jan 2011 21:07 |
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Thank You so much for all this information so quickly. I first assumed she was an unmarried mother then I thought she must have married but never found 'him'. Strange but the Farm opposite the Leigh Work house where she was an inpatient - not inmate and died- was Harts Farm! I don't always believe Cencuss; I know she lived with the Ellison's for a long time but Jack Heaton - Grandson- could this be true? I wasn't sure whether to trust the Frances - 'single' either. So it could be that Mom was Frances May Heaton and dad was ? Hart*. I couldn't find a marriage but then so many are lost. I know Jack was alive 20 years or so ago and lived down south. I don't know if he was ever adopted and changed his name,or carried on living with the Ellison's. I hadn't spotted the 1881 Frances - I will work on that Newton could be right. Allan became Allan Hart Heaton Unsworth and married Edna Mason. Anyone remember Masons the Confectioners on Bradshawgate Leigh? Thank you all so much. Sue
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JaneyCanuck
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13 Jan 2011 21:24 |
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What's a little odd here is that the 1911 says that Thomas Ellison and his wife Mary Ellen have been married 34 years.
Marriages Sep 1876 Arrowsmith Philip Henry Warrington 8c 162 > Ellison Thomas Warrington 8c 162 Foster Annie Elizabeth Warrington 8c 162 > LOCKER Mary Ellen Warrington 8c 162
I was about to say you had had a stroke of luck -- there is a postem attached to Mary Ellen Locker's name at FreeBMD.
http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=58183063&d=bmd_1293526012
But all it says is:
21/09/2010 Married Ellison Thomas
No contact info for the person who added it, e.g.
Now, that rules out the 1881 household I posted ... not for Frances, but I'd thought Mary Heaton and Mary Ellison might have been the same person. Apparently not.
Here is the Ellison couple in 1891:
Thomas Ellison 34 Mary E Ellison 38 Eliza Ellison 12 Sarah Ellison 6 Thomas W Ellison 4 James Ellison 1 - he is in the 1911 census with them Peter Molyneux 42 Thomas Shakeshaft 73 Civil Parish: Latchford
Now, that's the couple Frances Heaton was visiting in 1901. But in 1881, Frances was with her mother Mary Heaton. This is Frances Heaton's family in 1871 in Newton, Lancs:
James Heaton 29 Mary Heaton 26 James H Heaton 8 Edward Heaton 6 John T Heaton 10 Months
So how did the Ellison couple become the grandparents of Frances May Heaton's children??
If they actually were, it could only be if one of their children was the father of Frances's children ...
"So it could be that Mom was Frances May Heaton and dad was ? Hart*. I couldn't find a marriage but then so many are lost."
But remember -- if Frances May Heaton had married, her surname, and her children's surname, would not have been Heaton. (And marriages from that era really aren't "lost". ;) )
You do need to get the birth certificates for both children, and come on back and tell us everything they say!
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13 Jan 2011 21:28 |
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Here is Frances in 1891 -- we've seen the Eaton/Heaton confusion in posts on this board before, and in this case it was someone outside the family recording her name the way it was said.
Name: Frances Eaton Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Scholar Where born: Lymm, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Poulton With Fearnhead Ecclesiastical parish: Padgate and Warrington Town: Poulton County/Island: Lancashire Registration district: Warrington > ED, institution, or vessel: Warrington Union Industrial School and Cottage Homes
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Robert
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22 Jan 2011 22:57 |
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That seems like the one. In the ' workhouse' as a child, lived very close to it then died in another. Sad but had 2 successful children! I'm sure it is the one because of the 'Lymm' birthplace came up again. Thank you so much everyone. Strange - in the internet- there is a director of some where called Allan Hart Heaton Unsworth - could it just be coincidence, 100 years on? Sue
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