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Trying to find Albert Hague born 1904 Sheffield workhouse.His mum was Annie Hague born 1883 spinster on his birth cert and no father listed.Annie Hague married an Albert Martin 3rd dec 1906 st.lukes Dyers Hill Sheffield.Albert Martin age on marriage cert 26yrs .He was a carter and was born in Sheffield.Trying to find on 1911 census if Albert Martin was actually Albert Hagues father.Looked on free searches but can only find 1 albert Hague born in 1904.Cannot see records as not got access to census.I am currently on Ancestry and as of yet they have no records for 1911.Would it be possible for anyone to look this up for me.This is my husbands side of the tree Albert Hague was his granddad.Would love any information if possible and would be most grateful to anyone who could find the elusive Albert Hague.Thankyou Dawn Hague

records are badly damaged
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Albert Martin
Name: Albert Martin
Residence: 18 Burton St, Sheffield
Document Year: 1914
Regiment Name: York & Lanc
Number of Images: 20

you might find him as Martin on the 1911

How do you know where they are born?

Rose

This could be Albert Senior but there is no sign of Annie or Albert Junior. He says he has been married for four years.

MARTIN, Albert Head Married M 29 1882 Coal Carter Park Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Sarah Huose Keeper Widow F 30 1881 Etcher And Gilder Park Sheffield VIEW

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
Sheffield Park EnumerationDistrict:
16 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
3 Court 7 Hse Stepney St Park Sheffield County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

or there is this one. Albert and Annie but the occupation is different. He may have changed jobs of course but his age is out.

MARTIN, Albert Head Married
6 years M 27 1884 Steel Wire Improver Yorkshire Sheffied VIEW
MARTIN, Annie Wife Married
6 years F 28 1883 Yorkshire Sheffied VIEW
MARTIN, Albert Son M 5 1906 Yorkshire Sheffied VIEW
MARTIN, Willie Son M 4 1907 Yorkshire Sheffied VIEW
MARTIN, Ivy Daughter F 2 1909 Yorkshire Sheffied VIEW


Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
West Brightside EnumerationDistrict:
18 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
7 Court 1 House Mount Road Sheffield

Comparing the signature of recruit on his army records with the 2 census returns found by Astra on 1911, I would say that the second one, with wife Annie + family is 'your man', even though occupation has changed.

That is, of course if we have the correct army records !! ??

Dawn - could you compare the signature from the wedding cert you have with the Army records please and let us know ?

Thanks,

Dea x

Just reaslised it's the father and not the son on the army record...he is paying a separation allowance by 1918 so they could no longer be together which points to the first one.

Yes Astra - I noticed that, and the seperation allowance which had a date stamp of August 1918, yet his next of kin was still down as wife Annie around that same date.

I am not sure on this - there are 3 possible marriages around that same time and place for an Albert Martin to an Annie.

I have asked Dawn to compare the signature on the marriage cert to the one on Army records - this should help?

Dea x

EDIT:

Ohhh Astra you ARE funny !! - I have just seen your post above about only just realising that you are following the father not the son !!!

Dea Xxx

Just getting my Alberts in a twist!! It's early yet and my brain hasn't had enough caffeine!!

Hi again,

For what it is worth, I think this is the Albert Martin we should be looking for:

1901 England Census
about Albert Martin
Name: Albert Martin
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield Park St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England



Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Martin 59 wid. b Retford, Notts.
Albert Martin 20 Coal Carter

at 71 Bernard St ??

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4370; Folio: 117; Page 9

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same address in 1891:

1891 England Census
about Albert Martin
Name: Albert Martin
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield; Park

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England



Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Martin 52 Coal Heaver
Jane Martin 49
John Aron Martin 18
Billy Martin 14
Albert Martin 10 ***
Florence Martin 4

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3825; Folio 112; Page 4; GSU roll: 6098935.

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BUT, I think the one below is the one from 1911 with wife Annie + family. ??

1901 England Census
about Albert Martin
Name: Albert Martin
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Mary E
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Ecclesall Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 57
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members: Name Age
Willie Tyas 30 Wire hardener !!!
Mary E Tyas 36
Albert Martin 17 Railway Engine Cleaner?
Willie Tyas 7
John W Tyas 5
Harold Tyas 2

at 5 Cecil Road.

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4355; Folio: 146; Page: 26.
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I don't believe this one is the one we want. !!! and I suspect the Army records belong to this one?

It may just be the one living with the housekeeper on 1911 who is the one we want?

Dea x

WWWoow!!

So Albert made an 'honest woman' of Sarah in 1912.

Marriages Dec 1912

BRADLEY Ada Kay Sheffield 9c 1298
KAY Bernard H Bradley Sheffield 9c 1298
***MARTIN Albert Taylor Sheffield 9c 1298
***Taylor Sarah Martin Sheffield 9c 1298



What happened to his wife??

Dea x

To answer my previous question - his wife seems to have died in that same quarter:

Deaths Dec 1912

Martin Annie 29 Sheffield 9c 573

They didn't waste much time sorting out the marriage then?

I wonder what happened to 'little' Albert and where he and his mother Annie were on 1911?

Dea x

Dawn

I 'suspect' you may be in a different time zone to the UK?

When you come back, could you please post ALL the details from that marriage cert. - Everything, ages, occupations, fathers, addresses, church etc., and witnesses.

Thanks,

Dea x

Sorry guys for not getting back to you all but i live in countryside in southern ireland .Saturdays is the only day i get to go shopping with 8 kids to see too i only get to go on computer when theyve gone to bed.Annie Martin (nee hague)died on the 2nd of october 1912 10 court 4 house Bard street.housekeeper wife of Albert Martin general carter.Annies age on cert 29 years.Ihave a copy of marriage cert but it is a hand writtern copy so cannot clarify signatures.On cert it states Albert Martins father was John Martin deceased coal heaver.Alberts age 26 on cert so that means he was born 1880 + or - a year.
Albert Hague was born 20 july 1904.On his birth cert his mum Annie was a domestic servant of 24 fowler street sheffield.We found Albert Hague was brought up by his aunt when his mother died.His aunt was Sarah Ellershaw nee Hague she was Annies sister.
Does this help at all.thanks guys for all your efforts so far.DAWN

This must be Sarah Ellershaw as she has a Hague staying with her but there is no Albert in 1911. He's not at Fowler Street and 10 Court 4 House Bard Street isn't listed. Only 10 Court 1 House and then it goes to 12. Can't find them in any of those.

ELLERSHAW, William Head Married M 37 1874 Machine File Cutter Sheffield Yorks VIEW
ELLERSHAW, Sarah Ellen Wife Married
16 years F 32 1879 Sheffield Yorks VIEW
ELLERSHAW, Florence Daughter F 9 1902 Sheffield Yorks VIEW
ELLERSHAW, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1909 Sheffield Yorks VIEW
HAGUE, Dennis Boarder Single M 62 1849 Labour Sheffield Yorks VIEW

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
East Brightside EnumerationDistrict:
8 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
56 Gower St Sheffield

That's them Astra.

Dennis is Sarah + Annie's father.

Still can't find Annie though !

Dea x

It does look even more likely that we have the correct Albert Martin - parents John & Jane. (Father was John on cert - coal heaver, deceased).

They were living in Bernard Street which was next to Bard Street so another 'plus'.

This is the one posted by Astra on 1911 living with Sarah Taylor who he married immediately after Annie died.

Dea x

P.S. - found 10Ct 4 house Bard Street on 1911 - occupied by George Beeley + wife + boarders called Housgo - no sign of Annie + Albert there!

Dea x

Thanks Dea and Astra, looks like my husband has 2 elusives now ,how can they have just dissappeared.
Dawn