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I am trying to find the Gissing family who lived at 30 Riding, Northampton in 1909. Florence Brice 1882c lived/worked with them, she died during childbirth on 19.12.09. The babies birth was registered by W E Gissing. Florences daughter died aged 12, on her death certificate her father is named as Private Gissing.
Florences daughter was adopted/raised by the Duffin family who at that time lived in Leicestershire.
Any information would be appreciated.

Hello Julie, I'm struggling to find Gissings in Northampton in the 1911, or a Riding as an address.

Was there a Street or Road etc after Riding?

Is this her in 1901

Name: Florence A Brice
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Northants, Wellingborough

Civil Parish: Northampton All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: Northampton All Saints
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Northampton
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
John Roberts 51
Harriet S Roberts 41
Gertrude A Roberts 18
Reginald W Roberts 13
Florence A Brice 19

I guess you'll have this 1901, may have been Florence's previous employers:

1901 census transcription details for: 12, New Land, Northampton All Saints
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 1426 Folio: 6 Page: 3

Reg. District: Northampton Sub District: All Saints
Parish: Northampton All Saints Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Northampton All Saints City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 12, New Land, Northampton All Saints
County: Northamptonshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

ROBERTS, John Head Married M 51 1850 Manager Wine & Spirit Vaults Titchmarsh Northamptonshire
ROBERTS, Harriet S Wife Married F 47 1854 Wellingborough Northamptonshire
ROBERTS, Gertrude A Daughter Single F 18 1883 Milliners Apprentice Wellingborough Northamptonshire
ROBERTS, Reginald W Son Single M 13 1888
BRICE, Florence A Servant Single F 19 1882 General Servant Domestic Wellingborough Northamptonshire

British Army Service Records 1760-1913
First name(s): William Ernest

Last name: GISSING

Calculated year of birth: ?

Parish of birth:

Town of birth:

County of birth:

Age at attestation: 29 years 11 months

Attestation date:

Attestation corps:

Attestation soldier number:

Discharge rank: Private

Discharge corps: Northamptonshire Regiment

Discharge soldier number: 6168

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 4938 / 62

There are 10 images available for this soldier


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1911 census - household transcription
Person: GISSING, William Ernest
Institution: H M Prison, HM PRISON


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GISSING, William Ernest Prisoner Widower M 39 1872 General Laborer Norfolk Gt Yarmouth VIEW

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So Florence was registered with name Brice, so father didn't acknowledge paternity?

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
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BRICE Florence Northampton 3b 57

30 Riding, Northampton is the detail that is on the birth certificate of her daughter. It was in thre sub district of Saint Giles.

Julie

Yes that is her.

Yes I do have those details but the address i have is 12 The Drapery, Northampton

Yes her birth certificate names here mother as Florence Brice(deceased) and the person who registered the birth as W E Gissing.
Florence died in 1922 age 12. On her death certificate she is called Brice Gissing, there are no details of her mother but her father is named as Private Gissing.
In the census of 1911 she lived with the Duffin family and was their adopted daughter although I don't think they officially adopted her as her name of the gravestone is Duffin but the cemetary records have her as Florence Brice Gissing.

What do you think of those army details I gave you for W E Gissing....connected maybe??

jax

Does the informant of birth show a relationship to the child?

I have a birth certificate of a child born to an unmarried mother who died in childbirth. Although no father is shown in the correct column, the informant was her father and that is noted in the informant's section.


Gwyn

Yes thanks, i think there could be a connection.

No there is no connection to the child. I also have the death certificate and that shows the father as Private Gissing.

He is a private Gissing with the correct initials?? Ok not much else to go on really then leave it at that.

Edit so you have her birth cert registered by a W E Gissing her adopted parents said her father was private Gissing This man was in the right area although discharged in 1907 spent most of his army career in prison by the sound of it, why do you think it is not him?

jax

1881
This is the same man with his mother and younger brother who are named on his army records

Name: William E. Gissing
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Maria B. Gissing
Gender: Male
Where born: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address: 45 Nelson Rd St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Southern
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Maria B. Gissing 38
William E. Gissing 8
Robert J. Gissing 2
William Gissing 53
Elenor Hall 80
Susan Gissing 61


As he seemed to be in prison a lot during his time in the army the 1911 census I gave you could well be him too

My gut feeling is that W E Gissing is the SAME person as Private Gissing


HE registered the birth so knew his own name, but someone else gave the details on the death certificate, and they well not have known the initials for the person, just that he was a Private in the Army.


so ..... Private Walter Ernest Gissing is most likely the supposed father of the child.


Second question ..... how do you know that Florence Brice " lived/worked" with the Gissing family in 1909?

What is your evidence for that???


She might well have been taken in by them ....... or they migh have operated a small nursing home that she had gone to as an unmarried mother.


What was the connection with the Duffin fmaily? Why did they raise the child? Do they have a connection with either Florence or W E Gissing?


sylvia

These are the Duffins that Florence is with in 1911:

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
DUFFIN John Charles Ashby de la Zouch 7a 241
LEESE Annie Ashby Z. 7a 241

I had hoped to see Annie as a Brice or Gissing!

1911 census - household transcription
Person: DUFFIN, Florence
Address: Braunstone Frith Farm Glenfield Near Leicester

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DUFFIN, John Charles Head Married M 35 1876 Farmer Capt Oak Leicestershire VIEW
DUFFIN, Annie Wife Married
12 years F 39 1872 Bounday Leicestershire VIEW
DUFFIN, John Sidney Son M 9 1902 Batcheston Leicestershire VIEW
DUFFIN, Allan Son M 3 1908 Braunstone Frith Leicestershire VIEW
DUFFIN, Florence Adopted Daughter F 1 1910 Northampton Northampton VIEW
WORKER, Walter Servant Single M 21 1890 Farm Labourer Castle Gresley Derbyshire VIEW

William Ernest describes himself as a widower on that 1911 census


anyone been able to find a marriage for him??


I can't see one



sylvia