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HOW CAN I FIND OUT WHAT HIS MOTHERS NAME AND HIS WIFES NAME WERE WITHOUT BIRTH AND MARRIAGE CERTIFICATES THAT FAR BACK. THANK YOU.

Where?

Civil registration began in England in 1837 and Scotland in 1855

If Scotland then the marriage cert would give the full names of his parents

Birth certificates and marriage certificates do go that far back - English and Welsh ones at least. Where was he from?

Sam x

Hi sam and glitterbaby, thanks for your replies, newton-le-willows has come up if that helps.

Presumably you got back to them through one of their children. A birth certificate for the child would give the mother's name.

Can you give us the information that you have please? We may then be able to help.

Possible relative??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
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CARTY John Barton I. 8c 1052
Kenyon Mary Ellen Barton I. 8c 1052
McCormac George Angus Barton I. 8c 1052
Watkins Clara Barton I. 8c 1052

Hi rootgather, thanks for your reply, i got his name through a family succession of george angus mccormicks, and his birth year being 1854 and death year 1938, thats all sorry.

Susan

Thanks for your prompt reply.

McCormick is an Irish name and the Angus bit certainly sound Scottish!

Can you tell us please the details of the birth of his child please and we can try to find the family on some census records for you, if that would help.

Any Good ?


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1881

MCCORMICK George A - OWEN Catherine A Liverpool, St. Michael in the City Liverpool 2054LP/9/333

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1896

MCCORMICK George A - OVERBURY Fredrica L Edge Hill, St. Jude Liverpool 2110WD/4/71

Hi again rootgather and welcome michael. George angus 1854 had a son, george angus in 1882, but his father george angus 1854 was i think just angus mccormick born about 1813. Any idea what i mean?

Is this his death? (Just trying to get an idea of an area)


Name: George McCormick
Death Registration Month/Year: 1938
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 840

Yes rootgather, thats his death, thanks. and i just noticed i spelt your name wrong, sorry.

Which of these are from your family please?

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
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McCORMICK George Angus Warrington 8c 145


Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
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McCormick George Angus Oldham 8d 705

I don't think either of them are, neither match any of my dates.

Hi Susan,
There is this George McCormick on 1881 Census, do you know if he was in the Forces?

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Patrick HUGHES Other U Male 44 Wigan, Lancashire, England Private 2/19th Regiment
Thomas JERMISON Other U Male 19 Kendal, Westmorland, England Private 2/19th Regiment
Thomas MARSHAL Other U Male 19 Gothrington, Gloucester, England Private 2/19th Regiment
George MC CORMACK Other U Male 27 Scotland Private 2/19th Regiment
James MC GUIRE Other U Male 38 Sheffield, York, England Private 2/19th Regiment
John MORGAN Other U Male 20 Bradford, York, England Private 2/19th Regiment
James PHAYRES Other U Male 21 Aldershot, Hampshire, England Private 2/19th Regiment
James QUINN Other U Male 28 Ireland Private 2/19th Regiment
Charles SAVIL Other U Male 25 London, Middlesex, England Private 2/19th Regiment
Samuel SIVERTER Other U Male 24 Old Hill, Stafford, England Private 2/19th Regiment
John SMITH Other U Male 27 Halifax, York, England Private 2/19th Regiment
Frederick SMITH Other U Male 25 Graffliam, Huntingdon, England Private 2/19th Regiment
George SMITH Other U Male 25 Windsor, Berkshire, England Private 2/19th Regiment
Henry SNAPE Other U Male 25 Eckington, Derby, England Private 2/19th Regiment
William SUGDEN Other U Male 19 Halifax, York, England Private 2/19th Regiment
Thomas THOMPSON Other U Male 18 Leeds, York, England Private 2/19th Regiment
Thomas TINGLE Other U Male 20 Sheffield, York, England Private 2/19th Regiment
Charles TUCKER Other U Male 18 Jarrow, Durham, England Private 2/19th Regiment
William TWORNEY Other U Male 26 Australia Private 2/19th Regiment
William VALLANCE Other U Male 26 Scotland Private 2/19th Regiment
(Continued)


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Source Information:
Institution "Barracks" Sheffield
Census Place Nether Hallam, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342117
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4627 / 151
Page Number 30


Kath

Susan

I think the problem here is the lack of actual certificates. Are you going back using word of mouth information. I suspect that that Warrington birth could be the son of the George that died in 1938. Notice that that George didn't have a middle name on the death registration. My father was named (with the same middle name) for his father and grandfather and throughout his life he used his full name on all documents - even on a quick signature (eg when signing our homework). So I am wondering if the George (b. 1854) was just plain George!

Remember too, that people don't always give their true ages on official documents. Nor did they always give the correct names for their fathers on marriage certificates.


I think if it was me, I would be ordering that 1880 birth certificate.

Good morning Kath, thank you for your question, but as yet i do not know that answer i will have to ask another george mccormick in the family to see if he knows.

Good morning rootgatherer, i think you might be right about what you have said, and sorry to bother you some more but how do you go about getting a birth certificate like that?

Certificate can be purchased from the General Registry Office (quoting the refernce number)http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates