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I have now found out that Alices real name was Martha Alice Morgan. Time wasted on looking for the wrong person!!!!!

Back again! Had to concentrate on mundane things like sunday lunch and washing up etc. AAAAARGH! Seems a possibility that Jenny was from a previous relationship. And maybe George got fed up with coalmining. But we shall never know, which is a phrase I have used a lot lately. I discovered that my father had a brother that we never knew about, and I do not think he did either. We shall never know why the brothers lost touch. Thnak you to all who have helped me... Sylvia xx

1891 Census.

George is a Coal Miner but often Police Constables didn't start their working lives in that occupation.

Name: George Taylor
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Herefordshire, England

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Cyfarthfa
Town: Gellydeg
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Taylor 27
Elizabeth Taylor 19
Margaret J Taylor 7/12


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4433; Folio 41; Page 18; GSU roll: 6099543.



Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Taylor Margaret Jane Merthyr T. 11a 599


Possible Marriage???

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
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DAVIES Elizabeth Merthyr Tydfil 11a 944
Taylor George Merthyr T. 11a 944

Thankyou to Rootgatherer, Patricia, and Christine, and Dea you have all been a great help. Sylvia.

Thankyou to eveyrbody. I feel I am getting somewhere now Sylvia

If George had been married to Elisabeth that would maybe explain Jenny's absence after 1901, living with her mum, maybe. And the 7 year gap between her and Mabel. I am an old romantic! Maybe George had an affair with Alice, Mabel was the result and Elisabeth left him? I am writing the Family history for my boys and grandchildren. Trying to write it as a story. The things I have come up with are amazing. I have written something like 2500 words so far. Daft I know, but it keeps me occupied. Sylvia

Crikey, why did I not think of that!!! A senior moment or three. Thank ChristineinPortugal. But I seem to remember John has only a shortened form of certificate. But I can ask his sisters!! See previous note!!!! Sylvia

Thanks Dea,

I'll have to renew my subscription.

Wonder if this is George in 1891?

Name: George Taylor
Spouse: Elizabeth
Birth: abt 1864 - Herefordshire, England
Residence: 1891 - township, city, Glamorgan, Wales

Christine

That is a mistranscription Christine - the image clearly says born 'Glams. Merthyr'

Dea x

If this is the correct family, Ancestry has her born Gloucestershire but I can't view the details.

Name: Jenny Taylor
Mother: Alice
Father: George
Birth: abt 1891 - city, Gloucestershire, England
Residence: 1901 - city, Middlesex, England

The only way you are going to progress further is to obtain one of the children's birth certs for her maiden name.

Christine

Thankyou, we know that Jenny was around, whatever her parentage. I will go to John's 2 remaining sisters and see if they remember anyone speaking about Aunty Jenny! Mind you I have asked about stuff before and they never come up with anything. Sylvia

For ref. Here is the 1901 census - but I can't see George in 1891 with a daughter Jenny. Looking at the ages of the children would suggest that Jenny was the child of a previous marrige either for George or Alice.


Name: George Taylor
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Kington, Herefordshire, England

Civil parish: Friern Barnet
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barnet
Sub-registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 133
Household Members: Name Age
George Taylor 36
Alice Taylor 33
Jenny Taylor 10
Mabel Taylor 3
William Taylor 11 months

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1235; Folio: 116; Page: 19.

Just had a thought, maybe Jenny was not even George's child. It happens! My own mother was illegitimate, as I have found out since I have been doing this family tree thing!! Sylvia

Yes, I found a George and Alice Taylor, and George was a police constable, in Rodney Liverpool! That seems to be a co-incidence, as I am sure about Jenny's birth in Glamorgan. But what happened to her. My husband insists there was no 'Jenny' . In 1911 she would have been 19/20. Maybe she left home, or died. Who knows!!!!! Thankyou so much for your input. I am eternally grateful for all the help I have had over the last few months from everybodyy Sylvia

In the 1911 census it says they have been married 15 years, and Alice comes from Neyland(?) Pembrokeshire. So Jenny born pre-marriage.
TAYLOR, George Head Married M 46 1865 Met Police P C Hereford Kington
TAYLOR, Alice Wife Married 15 years F 42 1869 Penn Nyland
TAYLOR, Mabel Daughter F 13 1898 School Middx Finchley
TAYLOR, William Son M 10 1901 School Middx Whetstone
TAYLOR, Enid Daughter F 9 1902 Middx Whetstone
TAYLOR, Alfred Son M 7 1904 Middx Whetstone
TAYLOR, Lillian Daughter F 3 1908 Middx Whetstone
RG number: RG14 Piece: 7680 Reference: RG14PN7680 RG78PN378 RD139 SD2 ED14 SN217
Registration District:St Albans Sub District: St Albans Enumeration District:14 Parish:St Peter Rural Address: Seaton Road London Colney County: Hertfordshire

So you have found a different George and Alice in 1891?

If you get the birth certificate of any of George and Alice's children, it will have Alice's maiden name on it.

Sorry, snap rather late.

If you get her birth cert it will give her mother's maiden name.

Christine

Thankyou, ChristineinPortugal. Mabel Alice was indeed born in Sep 1897 Sylvia

There are these possible birth registrations for Mabel.

Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
Taylor Mabel Alice Barnet 3a 313
Taylor Mabel Constance Barnet 3a 314


Christine

George and Alice, in 1901, are living in Friern Barnett, with Jenny, 10, Mabel,3, and William, 11 months. George is a Police constable. This is true, Mabel was my mother in law. My husband says he never heard of a 'Jenny', maybe she died. But go back to 1891. and there is only 1 George and Alice in Rodney ,Liverpool. My George came from Hereford and Alice from Pembroke. Would Alice have gone to Glamorgan for Jenny's birth. Jenny was born in Glamorgan, if she was 10 in 1901 she must have been born in 1891, after the census? Not knowing Alice's maiden name does not help. I have put 'Alice' in Ancestry and come up with about a dozen who might fit. My research has told me that many marriages were performed after the pregnancy was confirmed. [There were other children but born after 1901.] Once again I ask the kind folk who have helped me before to work the oracle again. I spent all yesterday afternoon fiddling about on all the censuses back to 1871 and got nowhere. If I knew Alice's maiden name and where and when they got married it would help. Thanks again, Sylvia