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Hi, I have become stuck trying to trace my fathers side of the family. My fathers greatx2 grandmother was Mary Ann Finn (Born ABT 1850) and married John Barnaby. I believe when they married her surname was actually Murray as she was a widow. Her father was Dominick Finn Born ABT 1820 in Ireland i believe but i can't seem to find anything on him.

Kind regards

David Whur

Correct marriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
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BARNABY John Mutford 4a 1669
Murray Mary Ann Mutford 4a 1669


Andy

That sounds like the correct marriage.

Is this the marriage to which you are referring?

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
BARNABY John Mutford 4a 1669
Murray Mary Ann Mutford 4a 1669
RUSHMER Charles Henry Mutford 4a 1669
WRIGHT Emma Maria Mutford 4a 1669

If so, have you got the cert?

Jan

it is Jan but no i haven't got the cert.

Dave

Well, unless you have other evidence for their fathers' names I would consider getting it. How certain are you this is them?
Jan

I am fairly certain as i had someone else look at it and he found on someones tree the marriage was on 4th Dec 1876 in Lowestoft. going back from my dads grandmother;

Violet Leahy B:1916 married Albert Mons Shepherd.
Violets mother was Mary Elizabeth Barnaby who married William Daniel Leahy.
Mary's parents are John Barnaby & Mary Ann Finn.

Dave

I have spoken to the guy and the person he has spoken to who has the cert said at the time of marriage she was 26 years old (Widow) and her father was Dominick Finn.

Quite a variation in location!

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
BARNABY Mary Elizabeth Hull 9d 589
Leahy William Daniel Hull 9d 589

Maybe your contact could email the marriage cert of Mary and John Barnaby to you? Might be good to see for yourself.

Jan

This must be them 1891. I know this seems a bit off-centre, but always good to establish a few facts:

1891 England Census

Name: Mary A Barnely
[Mary A Barnaby]
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Barnely
Gender: Female
Where born: Scarborough, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabus
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton

John Barnely 40 Where born: Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
Mary A Barnely 37 Where born: Scarborough, Yorkshire, England
Mary E Barnely 12 born scarborough
John W Barnely 9
Samuel G Barnely 7
Sarah A Barnely 5
Annie Barnely 3 Born lowestoft suffolk

Just wondering how you know maiden name of Mary? Do you have a birth cert of one of the children?

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
Barnaby Samuel George Scarbro 9d 356

Jan

First marriage??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1869 (>99%)
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FINN Mary Scarbro' 9d 514
Murray James Scarborough 9d 514


Andy

Must be her - but not very helpful!

1871 England Census

Name: Mary A Finn
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Scarborough, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds

Sophia Lee 27
Mary A Finn 19

We need her birth but all I can see is:

Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
Faney Mary Scarbro 9d 253

Jan

As soon as he finds it he is going to e-mail me a copy of the marriage certificate. The people in the census look right apart obviously from the surname. There was some confusion to start with because i thought it might of been Barnsby but assumed it was a transcript error and it says on the birth record of Violet Leahy that her mothers maiden name was Barnaby. i believe Johns father was called Samuel.

Andy

I'm don't know the first name of Mary's first marriage.

Dave

Maybe a bit more honest with birthplace?

1901 England Census

Name: John Baraby
[John Barnaby]
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Baraby
Gender: Male
Where born: Lowestoft, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Hull
Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton

John Baraby 50
Mary Baraby 48 Where born: Ireland
John W Baraby 18
Samual G Baraby 16
Sarah A Baraby 14
Annie Baraby 12
Alice M Baraby 9

This one sounds a bit closer as i remember the other guy i was speaking to mentioning an Alice Maud Barnaby as a daughter which he is living with in 1911 census along with his niece Kate and Mary died 1908.

Dave

Yes, unfortunately she had died by 1911 so no clues there re. birthplace:

BARNABY, John Head Widower M 62 1849 Bricklayer Labourer Suffolk Lowestoft VIEW
BARNABY, Maud Daughter F 19 1892 Fish Cleaning Yorks Hull VIEW
BARNABY, Kate Niece F 13 1898 Yorks Hull VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28794 Reference:
RG14PN28794 RG78PN1652 RD522 SD2 ED25 SN272

Registration District:
Hull Sub District:
Myton Enumeration District:
25 Parish:
Holy Trinity and St Mary

Address:
2 Granville Terrace Strickland St Hessle Road Hull County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

Jan,

I think i am crossing 2 different families here, my great grandmother Violets mother was Mary Elizabeth Barnaby born in Scarborough (ABT1979) who married William Daniel Leahy which points me towards the first 1891 census you put above. I think i'm just going to have to get birth certificates for violet and then Mary E Barnaby.

Dave

I agree Dave, The golden rule - start with what you know! I think all the above are the same family - unlikely to be 2 John Barnaby's born Lowestoft and living in Hull! But Violet's birth cert is definitely where to start, or even her marriage as you kinow about that for certain.
Jan