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I have a birth cert for William Ector, born 29 April 1874, Wolstanton, Staffs - mothers name is given as Sarah Ector, but fathers name has a line through it.

However, on his marriage cert in 1899 William's father's name is given as Thomas Ector, profession Glostplacer (it's someone who puts glazed (glost) pottery into a kiln).

Assuming roughly 20 years between generations, I'm thinking Thomas had to be born roughly 1850 - 1854, and Sarah probably around the same dates.

I can't for the life of me find a marriage for a Thomas Ector to a Sarah, or any trace of Thomas on any censuses. Lots of Sarah Ectors - but none seem to fit.

Could anyone please help me out of my misery?!

Thanks in advance

Lynne

Possible???

1881 England Census
about William Ector
Name: William Ector
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Tunstall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolstanton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: 5 Smith St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Ector 36
Thomas Ector 13
William Ector 6
Ernest Ector
Thomas Bailey 37 (Potters Ovenman)


Dee xx

Hi Dee

Yes, I've got that one, but it's William's dad I can't find - and I'm starting to wonder if Thomas Bailey is the culprit...

;)

Lynne

And again;

1891 England Census
about William Ector
Name: William Ector
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Burslem, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolstanton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Tunstall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Ann Ector 47
Thomas Ector 23
John Ector 21
William Ector 17
Ernest Ector 11
Sarah J Ector 7
Sarah Ector 10 Neice
Mary L Ector 17 Neice
Thomas Bailey 47 <<<<

Hi Lynne,

I would say Thomas Bailey IS the father.


Dee xx

Yep, I'm inclined to agree - just wanted someone else to help me confirm!!

Now all have to do is find Sarah's birth and death and add in Bailey to my surnames list... sigh....

Well, it stops me watching the telly!

Thanks for your help

Lynne

This looks odd;

1871 England Census
about Sarah Ector
Name: Sarah Ector
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Tunstall
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Tunstall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub registration district: Tunstall
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Bailey 38
John Bailey 13
Thomas Bailey 10
James Bailey 5
Sarah Ector 24
Thomas Ector 4
James Ector 3
Mary Ector 23


Dee xx

Menage a trois??????

OK. I can see some serious spade work happening now - and a visit to Staffordshire.

Thanks again, Denise

Lynne

Ah, Ectors - got your PM about my help in another thread (you'd just discovered "My Threads"!) and had no memory ...

Not this one:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1132276

(more recent Ectors)

Still don't know what I done! Oh, here it is, different board:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1132275

... and I now see Victoria and I did exactly the same work on the two different boards. For future ref: don't do that again!!


Looking at Dee's 1871 household:

Mary Ann Bailey 38 - widow, charwoman, born Stoke, Staffordshire
John Bailey 13 - son, born Edinburgh, Scotland
Thomas Bailey 10 - son, Newcastle in Emlyn, Scotland
James Bailey 5 - son, born Tunstall, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Ector 24 - unmarried, boarder, potter transferrer
Thomas Ector 4 - boarder's son
James Ector 3 - boarder's son
Mary Ector 23 - boarder, potter's assistant


Sorting that all out is going to take some work. I don't see the Baileys in Scotland in 1861.


Thomas Bailey in 1881:

Name: Thomas Bailey
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Tunstall, Staffordshire, England
Occupation: Potters Ovenman


If he was Mary's husband, she wasn't a widow in 1871.

Where was he in 1871? The closest one I seee was in Wolstanton, dob 1847, and was a waiter.


I suspect the relationship between Sarah Ector and Mary Bailey in 1871 was some sort of in-law -- she was a sister-in-law of Thomas Bailey, for instance.

And I agree that Thomas Bailey looks like William's father. It was not at all uncommon for a child of an unmarried woman to make up a name out of real father's given name + own/mother's surname, for marriage purposes.


Anybody found Sarah Ector in 1851 or 1861?? Or a birth?

Births Mar 1847
Hector Sarah Salford 20 976

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Yup.

Name: Sarah Hector
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Lodger
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Burslem
Town: Burslem
County/Island: Staffordshire

William Hyland 36
Bridget Hyland 34
Bridget Hyland 9
Julia Hyland 7
Mary Hyland 5
David Hyland 4
Matthew Hyland 4 Mo
John Hector 34 - lodger
Mary Hector 30
Sarah Hector 4
Marin Hector 13

Evie Beavie

You are a wonder and a star!!! I've got the hang of the boards, messages and threads now - I was a total greenhorn when I did the first lot - oops, apologies....

Thanks to your digging and the Hectors, I can now go back along that route for my gran's family. I'd about given up hope!! Hubby and I are off to Staffordshire in the May half term to visit the Records Office and have a look at some of the places in the tree.

And can I just say that thanks to your digging on my other side, I've managed to make contact with a lady who turns out to be my grandma's niece - dad's cousin, who I knew nothing about.

Well, I have enough info now to set me off on yet another track, so thanks all, and I'm glad I took next week off work...

Lynne

Ah shucks.

I was gonna go for "Hector" all along -- having seen Hesters be Esther and vice versa, and an Ealey be a Healey recently, and some Eaton/Heatons a while back. And my grx2 grandmother the Hoare, who turned out to be pronounced 'Oar, when I dug around to find out about the name. And I'd had such fun telling my mother I'd discovered her great-mother was a Hoare!

Remind me. What was this other line of yours?

Sorry Evie, I meant digging BY my side, not on the other side - kinda got a bit excited and let my fingers run away with me!!

Anyway Thanks again for all the hard work, I'm now going to spend the rest of the afternoon (having been to work and back) sifting through all the info I now have.

And thanks to another kind person who has a match on my tree, I now have a line through a great great grandmother going back to about 1570.... that's a lot to take in. I'm going to dig around in that one for a while and see if I can do some proving!

Everyone has been so helpful, and I'm now trying to help a few others when and where I can to give a bit of payback! This is a great community, and I have to say that I am now totally addicted - not only in my own tree, but in others as well - I find myself watching threads and following up leads left right and centre.

I'll let you know when I've sorted all through it and uploaded everything, and let you have a peek at my tree!

Lynne

Aargh! No PMs, no trees!

I'm an introvert. I get overload. I get twitchy.

Tip for starting out on the other side. Of the boards, that is. ;)

Hang about late at night. It's mainly Aussies then, but a large portion of their questions are really English - they're trying to make the leap back to mother England in their trees. So you're the expert then. And with nobody much around, you can often do a bit of poking about at your leisure.

I've suggested that newbies do this and even try calling dibs on a question to get a bit of time to take a shot at it. If you said something like "I'm going to have a look in the 1841 census for you" and then went off to do it, I for one would be more than happy to stand back and watch. In fact I'd add a post saying just that and hope any of the other old pros in the vicinity would hold off too.

Okey Dokey - no PMs, no trees!!!!!

And thanks for the tips. I think I already have a connection to Oz land - courtesy of an Assize Court....... ahem.

Cheers Evie!!

For EvieBeavie and Denise...

Thanks to your sleuthing back end of March, I can now tell you that I have found John Hector on the 1861, 71 and 81 censuses!! I have also found his marriage.

John ECTOR (yes, spelt that way) married Mary Coppoth in Manchester Dec 1844. They then seem to have shuttled back and forth between Manchester and Staffordshire - 2 children born alternately in each place.

Mary died in 1876 in Wolstanton, Staffs.

John was a widower in 1881, living with his daughter Pheobe (I'm assuming Phoebe) who by then had married an Arthur TWEETS - well that 's what it looks like on the census.

I've found John under Ector, Hector and Hoctor, but regrettably as he was born in Dublin, that's probably as far back as I can go with him. However - it does give me Mary Coppoth to have a go at!!

Thanks for all the encouragement and help ladies - I couldn't have done it without you!

Lynne

Dee, I started a new thread to say thank you, but EvieBevie suggested I put it on here so you'd probably pick it up as well.

And following that, for info, Ann of GreenGables found his for me:

ARTHUR TWEATS Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: PHOEBE ACTON Family
Marriage: 04 SEP 1877 Goldenhill, Stafford, England



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so I can add Acton to the list of mistranscriptions now.....

Lynne

Hi Lynne,

Spotted your other post.... should really be in bed...... I'll give it another 5 minutes though!!!

Acton now........... your list will be endless!!! LOL!!

Thanks again Lynne for the update, it's good to know that we helped you sort it out.


Dee xx