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Would anyone be able to help with advice again please. I have Henry Ward marrying Eliza Dunbar in 1875. Elizas father is Richard ( an excise officer ) and Henry,s father is Richard a market gardener. I am keen to place both Eliza and Henry pre their marriage, hopefully in the census with their families. Richard Ward lived at William Street in 1875 and Richard Dunbar lived Nelson Place, both Islington.

what years were they born?

I can only say that Eliza looks to be 20 when married . Henrys just says off full age.

I cant find the marriage registration, had she been married before?

Sorry yes she was married to Henry Haggett Prior and is listed as widow when she marries Henry. Really sorry I should have put that in first place.

I found that marriage. Now it makes more sense. I'll see what I can do.

Thank you very much.

Do you have them in the census records after their marriage, that will give you an idea of Henry's date of birth?

What was Henry's occupation?

1st marriage:-
Marriages Mar 1868 (>99%)
Dunbar Eliza Shoreditch 1c 304
Prior Henry Haggett Shoreditch 1c 304 to view
Rittman Thomas Shoreditch 1c 304

If her first marriage was in 1868 and she was (say 18) then that would make her date of birth 1850, which would make her at least 25 when she married Henry?

Henrys occupation is Carman and it looks as though Eliza cant write as she simply puts a cross for her signature. Yet her father is an excise officer so she would have probably been educated, must have been another reason for inability to write.

Is this them after their marriage. Can't match him up with an Eliza

Henry Ward
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: A.
Gender: Male
Where born: St James, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Marlebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 138 Gt Titchfield St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Carman
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 12b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Ward 34
A. Ward 34

I'm having trouble finding anything that fits exactly. Do you know if they had any children?

In 1876 Eliza and Henry have a child called Henry Richard Ward.
Is that the 1881 census, becuause I am very confused now.

I wonder if Eliza died and henry remarried by 1881???

1881 England Census
about Henry Ward
Name: Henry Ward
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St James Clerkenwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 29 Rodney St
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub registration district: Pentonville
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ward 28
Emily Ward 25
Henry Ward 5
Alfred Ward 3

Thank you, I shall follow that thread if I can. One extra thing I noticed although not sure if it helps is that Henry and Eliza move into Richard Dunbars home in Nelson Place as their child Henry Richard is registered from that address.

Just had a quick look through Nelson Place, on the 1881 census and couldn't find a Dunbar Family living there.