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James was the father of Robert, John, Jane and James (I know this from 1841 census). He was born abt 1806 in Lancashire. He was a brass moulder. He married somebody called Ann, also born abt 1806, but I don't know her maiden name.

In 1851 Jane was living with William and Mary Ann Sparks, her relationship was niece.I can't find any more information about her parents or siblings. I'm directly descended from Jane and have all the information on her after her marriage to Francis Cartledge in 1857.

I would be grateful for any information on any of the other members of the family

Ann

Do you have a surname to give us?

1841 census does not record relationships

I think you will find the surname will be Drinkwater?

Dea x

I imagine this is 1851 - found by searching for Sparks

Name: William Sparks
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 1pp
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members: Name Age
William Sparks 43
Mary Ann Sparks 48
William John 11
Jane Drinkwater 12
Elizabeth Hayes 16

1841 - so we have birth years for the other children!

Name: Jane Drinkwater
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Drinkwater 35
Ann Drinkwater 35
Robert Drinkwater 10
John Drinkwater 5
Jane Drinkwater 3
James Drinkwater 1

Sorry just realised my posting was a bit misleading. My ancestor was Jane Drinkwater her father was definitely James and they were together in 1841 with Ann (I assume James' wife) and Robert John and James ( I assume Jane's siblings).

It was the 1851 census when Jane was in the household of William Sparks that she was described as niece.

Hope this is a bit clearer

Ann

thanks for all the quick responses, yes these are the census records I've seen for 1841 and 1851.

What I'm trying to find out is where did they all come from and where did they all go to between 1841 and 1851

It may be that the rest of the family are on the damaged pieces of 1851 -they are mostly for the Manchester area.

1861???????

Name: James Drinkwater
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Heaton Norris
Ecclesiastical parish: Heaton Norris
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Heaton Norris
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Drinkwater 30
Margaret Drinkwater 32
Emmeline Drinkwater 6
James Drinkwater 20
Mary Hewitt 76 Mother in Law

Clearly, James isn't Robert's SON - but the image does actually say that he is!

Both are Iron Moulders

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
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CLEGG John Manchester 8d 205
DRINKWATER Robert Manchester 8d 205 *****************
HEWITT Margaret Manchester 8d 205 ****************
MILLINGTON Ann Manchester 8d 205
RATHBONE Sarah Manchester 8d 205

I suppose it's a possibility that the John in the 1861 census could be 2 not 20! The 1861 census shows another of my ancestors as being 4 years when in fact she was 4 month! Although it is a bit of a coincidence and certainly worth exploring.

I would really be interested in finding out Ann's origins, if anybody has any ideas I would be most grateful

Ann

No, Ann, a 2-year old would not have the occupation of Iron Moulder!

Try lancsOPC for possible marriage for James and Ann

The same marriage is on the IGI - I guess I assumed you'd looked there, Ann

James Drinkwater

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Marriages:
Spouse: Ann Bretharton
Marriage: 05 MAY 1827 Rufford, Lancashire, England

Drinkwater, British Isles
Father: James , Mother: Ann
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C097895

2. ROBERT DRINKWATER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 JUN 1831 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

I believe the James with Robert on 1861 would be his brother.

They were together on 1851 - both boarders:

1851 England Census
about James Drinkwater
Name: James Drinkwater
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England



Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 1ss
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Boshek 50 .................all this family .. BOSTOCK !!
Jane Bostock 40
Sarah Bostock 15
Samuel Bostock 12
Thos Bostock 9
Robt Drinkwater 20 boarder
James Drinkwater 10 boarder



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2226; Folio: 621; Page: 19; GSU roll: 87236.

Dea x

No way of knowing if it is James Snr but there is this James in the Workhouse from the damaged pages:

MLFHS 1851 Unfilmed Census Enumeration Page
District: Manchester, Prestwich, Cheetham and Harpurhey
Enumeration Page for Book: 1A Transcript Page: 199
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Line Street Surname Forename(s)

1 Workhouse DRINKWATER James

No further details I'm afraid, but it would account for all the children being 'farmed out'

Dea x

There was a family of Drinkwaters living in Clayton-Le-Moors Blackburn Lancashire in 1905. Could they have any connections.

Maureen

Thank you for all the responses, it certainly looks like something has happened to the parents.

Flick, sorry I missed the bit about the occupation and yes you're right I had spotted that marriage on the IGI. It is a possibility of course but I've been trying to find a connection to William and Mary Ann Sparks as Jane was their niece. I have fond a marriage between William Sparks and Mary Ann Scholes but can't find an Ann with a connection to either of them.

Ann