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John may have been born in Surrey, William in India - I think their father was in the Army - John and William were both soldiers. I have them together in the 1911 Census, but whether William was visiting or living with his brother I dont know. I know John's history from then to his death in 1940 in Plymouth. I dont know how to go about finding them in India - I have tried several sites that give genealogical info about people born in India but cant find them.

Is this them for reference - ?

1911

CRUICKSHANK, John Henry Head Married M 33 1878 Ship Painter Guildford Surrey VIEW
CRUICKSHANK, Mary Frances Wife Married
15 years F 33 1878 Ballicallan Wexford VIEW
CRUICKSHANK, Kathleen Maud Daughter F 14 1897 School Part Time Dublin VIEW
CRUICKSHANK, Constance Louise Margaret Daughter F 12 1899 School Aldershot Hants VIEW
CRUICKSHANK, William Pirie Brother Single M 34 1877 Army Clerk India Ernakulam Resident VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
13017 Reference:
RG14PN13017 RG78PN751 RD278 SD1 ED3 SN240

Registration District:
Devonport Sub District:
St Aubyn Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Devonport

Address:
14 Fore Street Devonport County:
Devonshire

Yes, thats them. Kathleen Maud is my grandmother, which is why I have John Henry's history subsequent to 1911.

William Donald McDonald Cruickshank Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 30 APR 1881 Murree, , West Bengal, India>
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Parents:
Father: William Cruickshank Family
Mother: Joanna Cruickshank

CRUICKSHANK WilliamTranscribed by British Library
Marriage06 Feb1790 Spouse: Elizabeth HUGHES, wid



CruickshankWilliam Transcribed by FIBIS
Biography01 Dec1826



CRUICKSHANK William Transcribed by British Library
Biographyc1804



CRUICKSHANK William Dickson Transcribed by British Library
Biography1845


Cruickshank William R. V. Transcribed by FIBIS
Marriage1906 - 1911Spouse: Hephzibah V. Williams

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Thank you Ann of GreenGables: unfortunately these Williams are not mine: the dates dont fit, and William was unmarried in the 1911 census. I have some hopes of William and Joanna. I've had a look in FIBIS and cant find John or William.

I know John was in Dublin in 1890, when Kathleen Maud was born (Regimental baptisms) but that's all I have found.

I guess it's trawling through the Army records.

It looks interesting, Elouise, I dont know why FIBIS should produce that for you and not for me. I wish I knew anything at all about John and William: all I have is my mother's very vague memories of things she was told (it's not her family)

I would be surprised if their father was an officer, but I'm not ruling it out, and will look into this family.

Thank you for looking it up for me.

Name: William Pirie Cruickshanks
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Aug 1877
Baptism/Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1877
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Duncan Mearns Cruickshanks
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Amelia
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00070-2
System Origin: India-EASy
Source Film Number: 521865
Reference Number: v 58 p 223
Collection: India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947

Dorothy

All i did was go to the serach and put in the surname ....it comes up with a list of things that have that surname in .....in a few different areas ....
so i just had a look through most of them for dates around the ones given in the census....

this is the page i did the search on (top left handside)

http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/index.php

Aha! Found it this time. Thank you sooo much: now I see I was being too precise about my searching. I will look at every entry.

With what Elouise found ...

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

searching for name Duncan Mearns Cruickshank, any event any time


The baptisms of several children are shown:

to Duncan and Elizabeth:
Elizabeth 1880
Helen 1882
Edwin 1887

to Duncan and (Joanna) Amelia:
John Henry 1878
William Pirie 1877

marriage of son Duncan born 1881, in 1909


Name: Joanna Amelia Cruickshank
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 06 Sep 1878
Burial Place: St. Andrews, Madras, India
Death Date: 05 Sep 1878
Death Place:
Age: 20
Birth Date: 1858
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Duncan Mearns Cruickshank
Collection: India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948

Name: Duncan Mearus Cruickshank
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 28 Jun 1908
Burial Place: Cochin, Madras, India
Death Date: 28 Jun 1908
Marital Status: Unknown
Collection: India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948

Unfortunately, Joanna Amelia died of complications of childbirth. Her death was 5 Sept 1878, and this is John Henry's birth:

Name: John Henry Cruickshank
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 02 Oct 1878
Baptism/Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
Birth Date: 30 Aug 1878
Father's Name: Duncan Mearns Cruickshank
Mother's Name: Joanna Amelia
Collection: India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947

(oops, confused myself -- this is another birth to the second marriage)

Name: Duncan Mearns Cruickshank
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 06 Dec 1880
Baptism/Christening Place: Madras, Madras, India
Birth Date: 25 Oct 1880
Father's Name: Duncan Mearns Cruickshank
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Collection: India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947

My goodness, JaneyCanuck, that seems to be it: look at John Henry and William Pirie. And some half-siblings too (I like to note siblings: you never know where they will turn up)

Thank you.

You're welcome, but Elouise did start it. I was going to accept the report of absence of resutlts at FIBIS, but she persevered. ;)

You can get the full details for the births/baptisms at the pilot.familysearch site -- that's where the William Pirie baptism that safc posted earlier came from too.

Thank you all - I've been plodding about getting nowhere. I've learned how to search the sites more efficiently - which, considering how much more I have to do, is probably even more useful than finding John Henry.

Thank you all once more for undoing my knots for me!

JaneyCanuck thanks for mentioning the pilot program on familysearch ..
I've been looking for my Aunts F.I.L born in India, his mother died and he was either looked after or adopted by a Hartles family..
we could never find anything out before the 1911 census...
i have now manged to find details of his mum, dad and brother

Thanks Again


And Doroty glad t have helped....when I get a bee in my bonnet it takes a while for me to give up!

But Elouise, why did you delete the FIBIS record that started us off?? It leaves the thread a little motheaten and incoherent ...

I only started using pilot.familysearch a few weeks ago after FannyByGaslight got disgusted with me for not finding my aunt's birth in Ireland. ;) I then found the marriage of my grx3 grparents and birth of my grx2 grfather that I'd been wanting for five years, just last month. Quite the goldmine and I'm glad to pass it on!