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Hi Ive hit deadend wih the Croft Family. last information i got is from marriage certificate. My great grandfather William Croft born c 1894 married Rose Steger. Father's name Arthur Croft and was a general labourer. Address at time of marriage is St pauls street south Cheltenham.

Can anyone help?

Regards Georgie

Oh Sorry yeah its 24th may 1919.

Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
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Croft William Steger Cheltenham 6a 1214

Steger Rose A Croft Cheltenham 6a 1214

here's a Croft family living in St Pauls Street South in 1911


1911

8 CROFT, Ellen Head F 41 1870 Laundress Hereford VIEW
8 CROFT, Wilham Son Single M 14 1897 Work Milk Boy Cheltenham VIEW
8 CROFT, Daisy Daughter F 2 1909 Cheltenham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
15539 Reference:
RG14PN15539 RG78PN947 RD333 SD2 ED4 SN8

Registration District:
Cheltenham Sub District:
Cheltenham Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Cheltenham

Address:
3 St Pauls St South County:
Gloucestershire

Hi choccy ive got Marriage cetrificate. looking for a birth of William and info on Father Arthur.

Regards Georgie

1901

CROFT, Ellen Head Single F 30 1871 Laundress
Hereford VIEW
CROFT, William C Son M 5 1896
Cheltenham
Gloucestershire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2465 Folio:
113 Page:
29

Registration District:
Cheltenham Sub District:
Cheltenham Enumeration District:
47 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Stephen

Civil Parish:
Cheltenham Municipal Borough:
Address:
5, Tivoli Lane, Cheltenham County:
Gloucestershire

Re: St Paul's St record.........

Ellen was SINGLE ......father must have been invented.....IF that's the correct family

Any birth or father?

It sometimes pays to start at the other end, I.E. someone's death.

When and where did William Croft die? The registration of his death may give more accurate indication of exactly when he was born, possibly even the actual date if he died later than the mid 1960's.

This may be the Willian C Croft shown in the 1901 and 1911 census records above:

Name: William Charles Croft
Birth Date: 20 Aug 1895
Death Registration Month/Year: 1979
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 1618

Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
Croft William Charles Cheltenham 6a 438

Brummie jan: occupation was carpenter.

Jonesey: Cant find a death of William. Got death of his wife Rose in 1961.

No second initial on the marriage, Jonesy

I note that William and Rose's children were all born in Cheltenham and the Rose death that you have found was also in Cheltenham. It seems quite possible therefore that may also have been where William ended his days.

Flick: I agree there but then the 2nd initial shown for Rose appears to be wrong. On the marriage record it is shown as "A" but in reality I think that it should have been "H" for Hannah.

Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Steger Rose Hannah Cheltenham 6a 404

Name: Rose H Croft
Death Registration Month/Year: 1961 (Mar Qtr)
Age at death (estimated): 69
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 390

thanks Flick.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Arthur Croft Name: Arthur Croft
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Hereford
County: Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Monmouthshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 839



Ellen Bosley 1879 Hereford Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Monmouthshire

Arthur Croft 1879 Hereford Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester, Monmouthshire
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ARTHUR CROFT Pedigree
Male Family

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM CROFT Family

Marriages:
Spouse: ELLEN BOSLEY Family
Marriage: 15 JUN 1879 St Peter, Hereford, Hereford, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.

Flick: youre right on the name Rose was born rose hannah and on the marriage certificate she is rosen anna, i was confused.

Mel: thanks

Mel,

If the Ellen on that marriage is the same Ellen as shown on the 1901 and 1911 census records then she would only have been about 8 years old at the time of her marriage to Arthur Croft.

A noble try but no cigar this time I fear. (lol)

Could she of lied when they got married??

Georgina,

I think that perhaps we have confused you. The marriage to which I referred was the one in 1879 that Mel had posted. In the census records that Choccy posted, that Ellen Croft was born c1871 meaning that she could not have been the Ellen who married an Arthur Croft in 1879 as she would only have been about 8 years old at the time.

If I were you I would be tempted to purchase a copy of the death certificate of the William Charles Croft who died in Cheltenham in 1979. That seems to tick some of the boxes regarding what you know about your Great Grandfather such as his approximate birth year and the fact that his wife died in the same district.

I would not worry too much about there not being a second forename shown when he married or the fact that the information he gave about his father cannot at this stage be proved. Many people are known to have "Invented" a father to avoid embarrassment if they were themselves illegitimate. Also it is quite common for people to give only the name that they were generally known by rather than the full name with which they had been registered or baptised.

Georgina

Please answer two questions relating to the marriage cert

What was the house number in St Pauls Street?

Who were the witnesses?