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As far as I can find out, this lady just does not exist before she married my husbands grandfather. Her marriage certificate states her father was Albert Crobie, farmer. Cant find him either. She had a strong Irish accent all her life, and said she had been born in County Cork, but had been sent to England at the age of 16. She died Mabel Warren, in 1968. I have spent almost 2 years trying to find her, and have hit a brick wall. I have to give up after this, there is nowhere else to go! Any help you could offer would be very welcome. She married James Warren in 1911

a possibility, not Ireland though

1911 census - household transcription
Person: CROBIE, Mabel Beatrice
Address: 103 Blackstock Road Finsbury Park N

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

HOLMES, James Head Married M 35 1876 Manager Surrey Tooting
HOLMES, Jane Wife Married F 33 1878 Suffolk Hemingstone
SMITH, Emma Louisa Boarder Single F 31 1880 Servant Domestic Middlesex Hackney
CROBIE, Mabel Beatrice Boarder Single F 24 1887 Servant Domestic Edniboro

Born Scotland???


1911 census - household transcription
Person: CROBIE, Mabel Beatrice
Address: 103 Blackstock Road Finsbury Park N

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HOLMES, James Head Married M 35 1876 Manager Surrey Tooting VIEW
HOLMES, Jane Wife Married F 33 1878 Suffolk Hemingstone VIEW
SMITH, Emma Louisa Boarder Single F 31 1880 Servant Domestic Middlesex Hackney VIEW
CROBIE, Mabel Beatrice Boarder Single F 24 1887 Servant Domestic Edniboro VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1031 Reference:
RG14PN1031 RG78PN34 RD11 SD1 ED27 SN103

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
Stoke Newington Enumeration District:
27 Parish:
Stoke Newington

Address:
103 Blackstock Road Finsbury Park N County:
London

Thankyou for trying, yes, I did find that one, assumed it was someone else, as she is described as being born in Edinborough.

I begin to think there was some kind of reason for her to change her name. I got someone to look her up in Ireland as well, and no go, though I know Irish records are very scant

Just had a quick look at their census for Ireland...........the surname is very rare..........as in a couple of hits!

Where did she marry in 1911?

Ann

Just checked the marriage..........Hackney...........the 1911 census is a very strong possibilty!!!!

what address does Mabel give on the marriage cert?

I presume you have seen this entry

1911
COLLINS, Sarah Head Widow F 42 1869 Walthamstow Essex VIEW
COLLINS, George Stepson M 14 1897 Telegraph Messenger St Pancras London VIEW
COLLINS, Edith Daughter F 5 1906 Holloway London VIEW
COLLINS, Frances Daughter F 3 1908 Holloway London VIEW
CROBIE, Mabel Visitor F 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Holloway London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
810 Reference:
RG14PN810 RG78PN28 RD10 SD2 ED11 SN171

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Upper Holloway Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Islington

Address:
90 Marlborough Road Upper Holloway



Name: Mabel B Crobie
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 172


Name: Mabel B Warren
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: see Sept 1924

Whats more intriguing is the other Mabel Crobie aged 8months, a visitor with the Collins family on the 1911. Infact her & MB Crobie are the only two.

Looking for her birth circa 1910..........it states refer to 1924 which is your MB's daughters birth............but there she is in the flesh 1911!!

Ann

Sad circumstances prevented me from thanking you and going any further with this enigma. I see you find the whole thing as confusing as I do. I think she had committed some misdemeanour at home myself, and been sent here. I do not myself think that Mabel Crobie was her real name either. It seems she will have to stay a mystery! I wonder if she knew the Collins family, and pinched the baby's name?

more likely that she had the baby outside marriage ... that could have been the reaosn for her being sent to England at the age of 16


Then she had the baby re-registered in 1924, under her married name


That is what that those 2 birth registrations indicate ... it's the same baby being registered and then re-registered.



sylvia

There are two family trees on ancestry that have Mabel Beatrice


one says she was born in Ireland, and one in Scotland!


Salter Dent and Uridge Family Tree
Public Member Tree
2 attached records, 3 sources
Mabel Crobie
Birth: 1888 - Cork, Ireland
Death: !968 - London
Spouse: James Warren

F: Albert Crobie

M: Unknown (Mother)


Dent family tree
Public Member Tree
2 attached records, 3 sources
Mabel Crobie
Birth: 1888 - Edinburgh (Midlothian), Ireland (Scotland)
Death: 1968 - London
Marriage: 1911 - London
Spouse: James Warren

F: Albert Crobie

M: Unknown (Mother)



sylvia

The Salter Dent tree actually says


1888 Birth Co. Cork Ireland (1911 census, she states Edinburgh)




actually both trees are owned by the same person, I think.



and there is no mention of Mabel b. 1910





sylvia

Hi Sylvia, yes both trees belong to family members of mine, and until recent posts on this thread, the baby Mabel, born 1910, has never before emerged. We ask ourselves if she was perhaps Mabel Crobie Sr.s illegitimate child, which she had farmed out. If so, no surviving members of the family know anything about it, and some of them are in their late eighties. Mind you, you wouldnt advertise it at that time in history, would you? The only very sketchy history we have about her is that she was "sent" to this country by the courts when she was about 16, and that it had "something to do with the Guinness family" She became profoundly deaf in later life, but retained a strong irish accent till her death. She lived with her grand daughter for a year or two then died in 1968. All info I have came from the grand daughter. I can't seem to let her go, and the baby popping up from no where just makes it all more enigmatic! I have been researching her for 3 years, and got nowhere! Thanks so much for your help. So kind of you to bother.

Just picked this thread up once again, I would send for the birth of Mabel born 1910 to see what it reveals, at least it will rule out or confirm your suspicions.

The mystery is where was she when the 1901 census was taken aged 12/13, no record of her in either Scotland or Ireland.

You would think that if for some reason she picked that name out of a hat so to speak......she would have come up with one which was far more common sounding.

The Collins family may just be "paid" caretakers, something probably they would not want declaring on census form for all to read, hence the term "visitor"............its the Irish Accent that has got me!!

The above trees were probably prepared before the release of the 1911 census maybe explaining the absense of Mabel 1910.

Annx