Find Ancestors

My grandmother was Lillian Selena Cantrill, born Dec 10, 1891, at Leicester, Leicestershire. Her fathers' name was William (H ?) Cantrill. I can't find accurate information about him, other than he was born around 1866, and his spouse's name was Elizabeth Jenkin or Jenkins. When my grandmother was married, at Regina Saskatchewan, Canada, on Dec 18 1910 to George Henry Lincoln (b Aug 21, 1886 d July 15, 1960, Vancouver BC Canada), her maiden name was listed as Lillian Selena Maude (I have a certified copy of the marriage certificate.) I don't know the reason why but do know that a Walter Maude, and son Reginald are listed as relatives in our family tree. Any information about these family members would be helpful.

Is the family tree on ancestry yours??

????

from the new familysearch site www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records ... it's a free site


record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: William Henry Cantrill
groom's birth date: 1866
groom's age: 23
bride's name: Elizabeth Jenkins
bride's birth date: 1869
bride's age: 20
marriage date: 27 May 1889
marriage place: Holy Trinity,Coventry,Warwick,England
groom's father's name: Alfred Cantrill
bride's father's name: William Jenkins
indexing project (batch) number: M04192-8
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1067416





Lillian Selina's death registration from the same site


record title: British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986

death date: 24 Jul 1950
death place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
name: Lillian Salina Lincoln
gender: Female
age: 61y 7m 14d
birth date: 10 Dec 1888
birthplace: , England
marital status: Married
spouse: George Henry Lincoln
father: William Cantrell
mother: Elizabeth Jenkins
digital folder number: 4437580
british columbia archives film number: B13205
registration number: 50 09 007495




sylvia

?? William Henry in 1881

1881 Census

Name: William Hy. Cantrill
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's name: Alfred K. Cantrill
Mother's name: Hannah Cantrill
Gender: Male
Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Foleshill
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Nr. Wheat Sheaf Inn

Occupation: Silk Weaver

Registration district: Foleshill
Sub-registration district: Foleshill

Alfred K. Cantrill 38 b.ca 1843, Foleshill, Ironmonger's Porter
Hannah Cantrill 36 b.ca 1845, Foleshill, Home Work
William Hy. Cantrill 15
Caroline Cantrill 11 b.ca 1870, Foleshill
John Cantrill 3 b.ca 1878, Foleshill
Charles W. Cantrill 5 mos b. ca 1880, Foleshill



sylvia

The Cantrills in 1871

Name: Alfred Wells Cantrill
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah Cantrill
Gender: Male
Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Foleshill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Foleshill
Sub-registration district: Foleshill

Alfred Wells Cantrill 29
Hannah Cantrill 26
William Henry Cantrill 5
Caroline E Cantrill 1




???? from ancestry

Alfred Wells Cantrill
Birth: Abt 1842 - Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
Death: 1921 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Marriage: 1865
Spouse: Hannah

F: Ambrose Cantrill

M: Selina Hodson



???? from familysearch


record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Alfred Cantrill
groom's birth date: 1842
groom's age: 23
bride's name: Hannah Smith
bride's birth date: 1844
bride's age: 21
marriage date: 02 Oct 1865
marriage place: Holy Trinity,Coventry,Warwick,England
groom's father's name: Ambrose Cantrill
bride's father's name: William Smith
indexing project (batch) number: M04192-7
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1067415





sylvia

However, a pm from Thomas says that what he really wants to sovle is the relationship between Lillian Selena and Walter Maude


Did he adopt her????



sylvia

that's funny

I can't find the Hulbert tree on ancestry that I found an hour ago?!!

pm from Thomas re Lillian Selina

Her marriage certificate indicates her age as 19, born in 1891. Regarding Walter Maude, my best guess is that he was her step-father. His wife, as listed on the above marriage certificate, name is Elizabeth Jenkins. Coincidence? Perhaps William Cantrill devorce/died, prior to grandmothers marriage in 1910. Any suggestions?


There is a William Cantrill who died about 1894.


She married in Canada though, so that is where you might ahve to look for the re-marriage of Elizabeth.


Do you know when they left for Canada?



sylvia

Here's what looks like the Walter Maude marriage


Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)

Cantrill Elizabeth Coventry 6d 559
MAUDE Walter Coventry 6d 559




sylvia

and here they are on the 1901 Census, although Lillian is not with them


Name: Walter Maude
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Maude
Gender: Male
Where born: Horsforth, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Chilvers Coton
Ecclesiastical parish: Chilvers Coton All Saints
Town: Chilvers Coton
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nuneaton
Sub-registration district: Nuneaton

Walter Maude 28 Carpenter
Elizabeth Maude 32 b.ca 1869, Foleshill, Coventry
Eva R Maude 7 Months b.ca 1900, Nuneaton
Grace A Cantrell 3 b.ca 1898, Foleshill


Address:- Cheverel Street



sylvia

You need to buy the marriage certificate for Walter and Elizabeth to be sure that it is the correct people



A certificate costs £9.25 from www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


sylvia

This looks like the death of William Cantrill:

Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
Cantrill William Henry 32 Foleshill 6d 277

This could be your Lillian in 1901:

Lillian Cantrell
Relation to Head of Family Visitor
Age Last Birthday 9
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Condition as to Marriage Single
Where Born Warwicks Coventry
Address 118 Eagle Street
Civil Parish Coventry
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Marks
Parliamentary Borough or Division Coventry
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Coventry
Administrative County Warwick
Ward of Municipal Borough or Urban District Bishop Street

Other household:
Thomas Banks 40 Police constable born Stone
Ann M Banks 33 Foleshill
Rowland J 1 Coventry
Ada M Bowering 15 visitor Colwich

In 1891 Thomas was a lodger at 63 Foleshill Road, Coventry - living with Mary Jenkins (64, widow), Annie Jenkins (24) and Alice Jenkins (20). Looks like he married Annie, possible sister to Elizabeth -

Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
BANKS Thomas Coventry 6d 982
Hartshorne Ada Coventry 6d 982
Jenkins Ann Marie Coventry 6d 982
Millington William Henry Coventry 6d 982

Will have a look at 1881 for the Jenkins, to see if this is Elizabeth's family.

good one Flip!

FMP seems to be down, and the original on here for 1881 is illegible, but this is the mother Mary in 1871:

Mary Jenkins
Age 43
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Address Coventry Road
District Foleshill, Foleshill
Parish Foleshill
Administrative County Warwickshire
Birth Place Warwickshire
Birth County Warwickshir

Husband William (41, born Coventry), children Josiah (11), William (7) Ann Maria (5), ELIZABETH (2) and Alice (9mths) - all children born Foleshill

Edit - went back to original and amended Williams age after finding this death?

Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%)
JENKINS William 51 Foleshill 6d 282

In reply to an earlier question, adoption unlikely I don't think there were official adoptions until the 1920s. Looks like he was her stepfather, but it was not unusual for the children to adopt the stepfather's name - have come across it many times in both my own tree, and searching for others.

This is the ancestry version of the 1871

Name: Mary Jenkins
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William Jenkins
Gender: Female
Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Foleshill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Foleshill
Sub-registration district: Foleshill

William Jenkins 49
Mary Jenkins 43
Jonah Jenkins 11
William Jenkins 7
Ann Narria Jenkins 5
Elizabeth Jenkins 2
Alice Jenkins 9 Months



sylvia

and in 1881

Name: Mary Jenkins
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Foleshill
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Nr Wheat Sheaf Inn
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)

Occupation: Silk Weaver

Registration district: Foleshill
Sub-registration district: Foleshill

Mary Jenkins 54
Emma Jenkins 23
William Jenkins 17
Ann M. Jenkins 15
Elizabeth Jenkins 12
Alice Jenkins 9




Flip ..... I agree, no adoption. Adoption didn't become legal until about 1927.


She was his stepdaugther, and that probably is why she used his name when she got married.



Hope Thomas agrees that we have solved his family for him!


BUT he must get some certificates to prove it all!




I'm off to bed now!



sylvia

Goodnight Sylvia,

Think this is Lillian's fathers birth:

Births Dec 1865 (>99%)
Cantrill William Henry Foleshill 6d 397

and her mother:

Births Sep 1868 (>99%)
JENKINS Elizabeth Foleshill 6d 402

To everyone who helped me with information about Lillian Cantrill, Wm Cantrill, Walter Maude, Elizabeth Jenkins, et al. I am very grateful. Thank you for your assistance.