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Can anyone help, I am looking for the marriage of Joseph Callon 1851 census gives spouse as Mary with three children Ann, John and Thomas, I cannot find any births listed for these. the 1861 census lists his wife as margaret who we know was formerly Bradbury as their son Peter was my husbands great grandfather. I cannot find any record of either of these two marriages, help would be appreciated. Since this was posted and I got help from youall, I have sent for the marriage lines of Joseph Calland and Margaret Bradbury, now am even more confused. It lists his father as James Crank!!!!.There are some smilarities though, on the 1841 census Joseph Callon is living at Carr Mill Winwick Lancashire with his mother Margaret Callon and brother James. On the marriage cert it says he lives at Carr Mill and his witness is James Calland Could the cert be wrong, its driving me mad. By the way I boobed and put my query on a new postiing but was advised to add to the original one, so sorry for that. Please can anyone help.

What area please??

Is this the Joseph??

1871 England Census
about Joseph Callon
Name: Joseph Callon
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton Le Willows, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Haydock
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Haydock
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Warrington
Sub-registration district: Newton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Callon 51
Margaret Callon 49
John Callon 22
Thomas Callon 21
Elizabeth Callon 16
Peter Callon 13

For ref to show the area they were living.

1861 England Census
about Joseph Callon
Name: Joseph Callon
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Ashton in Makerfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Ashton in Mackerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Callon 39
Margaret Callon 37
Ann Callon 18
John Callon 13
Thomas Callon 10
Ellen Callon 9
Elizabeth Callon 6
Peter Callon 2

Christine

So their eldest is 7 on the 1851 census
Name: Joseph Callon
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Haydock
Ecclesiastical parish: Ashton in Makerfield St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:Liverpool Road

Occupation:Ag Lab

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Warrington
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 188
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Callon 31
Mary Callon 27
Ann Callon 7
John Callon 3
Thomas Callon 1
Margaret Callon 59

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2202; Folio: 52; Page: 58; GSU roll: 87212.

On the 1851 census there is a Margaret Callon down as Mother in Law??????????????

She is still born Windle on the census where she appears as Margaret. Birth year is a bit different.

Hi thanks to you all, you are on the right track, I have those census entries, but I cannot find any marriage details so that I can get mary or margaret's (mainly Margaret as she is the mother of Peter my husbands relation)family details. please keep looking thanks.

I don't think there were two marriages. The years of birth and places of birth for Mary/Margaret are the same on each census. I think you are only looking for one marriage.

Here is the marriage they just got his name a bit wrong!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Margaret Bradbury
Name: Margaret Bradbury
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wigan
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 21
Page: 535


>>>>>>Margaret Bradbury 1843 Wigan Greater Manchester, Lancashire

>>>>>> Joseph Calland 1843 Wigan Greater Manchester, Lancashire

This maybe the birth of Ann her being Mary Annabella Callon and not as transcribed twice wrongly. They have the same birth details for two different names. Mary Isabella and Mary Matilda, the writing is bad but I think it reads Annabella.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Matilda Callon
Name: Mary Ann Matilda Callon
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 399

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Isabella Callon
Name: Mary Ann Isabella Callon
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 399

Hi Mel thank you for your help, I keep forgetting thats lots could neither read or write and had to rely on word of mouth, hence the names a bit wrong and I do not want to get hold of the wrong people!! I guess that I shall have to let go of "mary" and accept that there was only one marriage.The ideas about Ann seem feasible but I still cannot find anything for john or Thomas but will keep looking thanks. Margaret

Margaret I was wondering if they got the names muddled up on that census where the wife was Mary and the mother in law was Margaret. Looking further I found a William and ?Grace with children called Ann, Isabella, John and Thomas I think. Have you got further back than Joseph Callon 1820??

I have to go out now so will look back in later.
Mel

Copied from amendment to original post.

"Since this was posted and I got help from youall, I have sent for the marriage lines of Joseph Calland and Margaret Bradbury, now am even more confused. It lists his father as James Crank!!!!.There are some smilarities though, on the 1841 census Joseph Callon is living at Carr Mill Winwick Lancashire with his mother Margaret Callon and brother James. On the marriage cert it says he lives at Carr Mill and his witness is James Calland Could the cert be wrong, its driving me mad. By the way I boobed and put my query on a new postiing but was advised to add to the original one, so sorry for that. Please can anyone help "

Christine

Christine, many thanks for that, I will delete the second posting. Phew there is so much to this....... I have only been using GR community, messages etc., in my search over the last month and the first post I did I have never been able to find again!so thanks.

Did'nt you say that Joseph had a brother James? he was probably the witness. As to the fathers name of James Crank................well I don't know what to say. Is it definately Crank?? I suppose it could be a misheard thingy!!!

Just for ref, he is mistranscribed on Ancestry in 1841.

1841 England Census
about Joseph Callow
Name: Joseph Callow
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Winwick
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Carr Mill

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Ashton in Mackerfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Callow 50
Joseph Callow 20 coal miner
James Callow 15

Christine

I know that some of the transcriptions have been misspelt like the callow instead of callon, but on the Marriage cert Crank for Callon and calland for callon, could the guy who was writing out the cert have been deaf lol!
I was just so shocked when I got the certificate as I was sure I (we) that being you all who helped had cracked it. I have looked at it again and there is a serious discrepancy between the ages, it has Joseph as 36 and Margaret Bradbury as 19, now on the census I have looked at there is only a 2 year age gap between the two of them. Sooooo if I accept that it is the wrong Marriage cert then I am back looking for the actual one. Do you think it is possible there were two marriages after all? one to Mary and one to Margaret???? I don't know where to look next, I have tried BMD,IGI and there does not appear to be anything at all. Its really bugging me.

Hello,
I am still not sure that I am doing this right but I need to share what I think and hopefully someone can help!!!!!
On the marriage lines Joseph is listed as Calland and his father as james Crank!! I thought this was all a mistake but I remembered someone on here had mentioned an address search, so I did a search on the address on the cert.... Carr Mill, Winwick, Ashton in makerfield for 1841 two years before the marriage, and guess what there were no Callands only Callons. I then did a search on Stanley Mill for the same year and got the Bradbury's which is what it says on the cert........ So Unless there were two marriages in the same year for Callon and Calland from the same streets I guess the cert is right. So where does Crank come in????? surely if it was misheard as Mel thought then the guy would have put Calland..... Did Margaret have Joseph before she married Callon do you think or did she have both kids out of wedlock??Any help on looking into brother James Callon's birth c 1826 would be really appreciated as that might give his fathers name. Please help if you can. thanksM

Hello,
I know that it is some time since I did this post, but I need to keep you updated.
There was a huge query that on Joseph Callon's marriage cert his father was named as James Crank and we wondered if this was because the real name had been misheard...... well.....Not so.
There is an order of filiation and maintenance of Joseph, bastard child,(terrible expression) of James Crank shoemaker and Margaret Callon single woman held at Lancashire records office.
So it looks like we have opened the secrets cupboard...oooh what else may we find. Many thanks for all your help and support.