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FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 29 Nov 2009 23:48


Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Luton
1911

Parish: Luton Enum. District: 2

Address: 77 Park Road West Luton
County: Bedfordshire


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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MARDLE, Herbert Head Married
7 years M 32 1879 Bricklayer Kings Walden Herts

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MARDLE, Jessie Wife Married F 31 1880 Chobham Surrey

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MARDLE, Gwendoline Cecily Daughter F 6 1905 School Kings Walden Herts

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MARDLE, Herbert Edward Son M 5 1906 School Luton Beds

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MARDLE, Jack Son M 3 1908 Luton Beds

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MARDLE, Edward George Son M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Luton Beds

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MARDLE, Sidney Nephew Single M 28 1883 Bricklayer Kings Walden Herts

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BURROWS, Jessie Strepdaughter F 10 1901 School Reigate Surrey

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Nov 2009 23:46

So we seem to be back to the question about the marriage cert and the name & occupation of her father on it

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Nov 2009 23:40

1881 wonder if this is the right family

Name: Edward George Barron
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Chobham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chobham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: Village
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub-registration district: Chobham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Barron 35 - Chobham - occupation of builder
Elizabeth Barrons 30
Edward George Barron 7
Elizabeth Caroline Barron 6
Emily Barron 4
William Barron 2
Charlotte Mary Barron 1
Infant Barron ------ could be Jessie but not named on image - 1 month
Alice Sleet 11

Yes Burrows on image

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 29 Nov 2009 23:40

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
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BURROWS Jessie Chertsey 2a 51

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Nov 2009 23:38

1891 poss

Name: Jessie Burrows
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Chobham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chobham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Chobham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub-registration district: Chobham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Burrows 45 born Chobham - occupation of builder
Elizabeth Burrows 40
Edward Burrows 17
Elizabeth Burrows 16
William Burrows 12
Charlott Burrows 11
Jessie Burrows 10
Minnie Burrows 8
Ellen Burrows 5
Thos Burrows 3
Alfred Burrows 3/12

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 29 Nov 2009 23:34

??

1881 England Census
about Jessie E. Burrows
Name: Jessie E. Burrows
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Upper St Martins Lane
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Strand
Sub-registration district: St Martin In The Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Burrows 40
Elizabeth Burrows 47
Minna M. Burrows 14
Martha J. Burrows 9
Rosetta Burrows 7
Ada S. Burrows 5
Jessie E. Burrows 3




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 328; Folio: 57; Page: 19;GSU roll: 1341071.

EDIT

Maybe not

Births Sep 1877 (>99%)
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Burrows Jessie Elisabeth Leighton Buzzard 3b 387

Lindsey

Lindsey Report 29 Nov 2009 23:33

She definitely married Herbert Mardle as he is my paternal gt grandfather and my father has details of all the family on this side but there has always been a stigma with this Jane Ellen/Jessie Burrows. She had an illigitamate daughter called Jessie in 1901 and went to live with her sister in Chobham when her daughter was born.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 29 Nov 2009 23:32

Births Dec 1883
BURROWS Jes*c Luton 3b 431

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Nov 2009 23:32

1901
Name: Jessie Burrows
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Chobham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chobham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Town: Chobham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub-registration district: Chobham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Edward G Burrows 27 Chobham
Harriet E Burrows 28 wife of Edward
Agneta B Burrows 1
Jessie Burrows 20
Jessie Burrows 3/12 listed as niece



????

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Nov 2009 23:29

Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Burrows Edward Chertsey 2a 41
Cutler Emily Chertsey 2a 41
Healey William Chertsey 2a 41
Keen Elizabeth Chertsey 2a 41



So what info do you have to support the fact this couple might be her parents.

Where have you got place of birth as Chobham from?

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 29 Nov 2009 23:29

1911 basic search using Herbert in household

HOUSEHOLD MARDLE ELLEN F 1882 29 Elham Kent
HOUSEHOLD MARDLE FLORENCE F 1881 30 Greenwich London
HOUSEHOLD MARDLE HERBERT M 1879 32 Luton Bedfordshire
HOUSEHOLD MARDLE JESSIE F 1880 31 Luton Bedfordshire
HOUSEHOLD MARDLE SIDNEY M 1883 28 Luton Bedfordshire

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 29 Nov 2009 23:27

Marriages Dec 1903
BURROWS Jessie Hitchin 3a 1059
MARDLE Herbert Hitchin 3a 1059

Close, but not Luton. Again - when there's FreeBMD, there's no need for approximate info!

You need to get the marriage certificate for the father's name she reported on it.


The only births around the right time and place:

Births Jun 1881
BURROWS Jessie Chertsey 2a 51

Births Jun 1883 )
BURROWS Jessie Camberwell 1d 949

Lindsey

Lindsey Report 29 Nov 2009 23:24

Her parents I believe are Edward Burrows/Elizabeth Keen and she had 13 siblings.

I have found her as Jessie Burrows and had a daughter of the same name. On her daughter's birth certificate she was named as Jane Ellen.

I am just unsure now of her proper birth name and how I can find out more about this picture. She married Herbert Mardle in 1903 in Luton.

Thank you so much!
Lindsey

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Nov 2009 23:23

Think you're right Glitterbaby, though no Jane Ellen Burrows born 1881 in Surrey as far as I can see.

Take it you don't have her marriage cert? Could do with father's name.

Jan

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 29 Nov 2009 23:23

If Salford isn't our girl, how about this one in 1901?

It would really help to know what you know, Lindsey - like when the photo was taken.


Name: Jane E Barran
[Jane E Burrows]
- the name was mistranscribed; the Ancestry system has added Burrows purely because that's her mother's surname
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Jane
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell

Jane Burrows 58
Alfred Burrows 23
Alice Worman 22
George J Worman 3
Jane E Barran 19
Frederick Ganard 3


GB - that's why I said the Salford birth didn't seem to be the right place.

Not much more can be done without some input from Lindsey.

There are two marriages for a Jane Ellen Burrows: Salford 1905 (so that seems to rule her out likely) and Burnley 1884 (totally wrong date and place).

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 29 Nov 2009 23:21

I thought that Chobham was in Surrey

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 29 Nov 2009 23:17

Is this her? No idea where Kings Walden or Chobham are!!


1891 England Census

Name: Jane Ellen Burrows
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Broughton
Ecclesiastical parish: Church of the Ascension
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Broughton [Near Salford]

William Burrows 45
Ellen Burrows 49
William Edward Burrows 21
John Thos Burrows 18
Henry Burrows 16
Minnie Burrows 14
Albert Burrows 11
Jane Ellen Burrows 10

Jan

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 29 Nov 2009 23:12

When we have FreeBMD there is usuallly no need for "c." birthdates.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Births Mar 1881
BURROWS Jane Ellen Salford 8d 147

That's the only birth with that name around that time, but the place doesn't match at all.

What is it you're looking to know -- parents and siblings?

The birth certifictae will say. Or Lancashire BMDs or baptism info (at Ancestry) may have the parents' names.

Have you found her in the 1881 census, free at Ancestry?

Can you provide details from another census, whom/when/where she married ...?

Lindsey

Lindsey Report 29 Nov 2009 23:09

Hi

My Gt Grandmother was born Jane Ellen Burrows but was known as Jessie in c.1881 Kings Walden or Chobham areas. I have a photograph of her that puts her at the St Paul's Kings Walden estate working as a servant. I have emailed Simon Bowes Lyon but unfortunately he is unable to trace either of the names.........I don't know which way to turn now as I do not have any family members left who knew her.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Lindsey