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Hi Everyone I'm having a lot of problems finding the family of my gggreat grandmother Annie Maria Burgess. I know that she married my gggreat grandfather George Martin Shufflebottom on May 5, 1868 in shelton as I have their marriage certificate however her father is not shown on the marriage cert. I know also that she was born on June 5, 1849 in Shelton, again her father is not shown but it states that Martha Burgess is her mother so I believe that there is no way I can find her father but I want to research her mothers family but have hit a dead end as I do not know anything about her. I have looked for Annie in the 1851 census with the mother listed as Martha to see if I could find a year of birth and birthplace for martha but I have found nothing of Annie or Martha in the 1851 or 1861 census its like they don't exist. I thought maybe Martha married within the two years that Annie was born and the 1851 census but I do not know where to start looking, I tried the marriage records but found only one marriage that would make sense and it has lead nowhere. I also thought maybe Martha might have died but I could not find a death record that looked plausible. What else can I do? I'm getting very frustrated they must be somewhere in the 1851 census but I cannot find them.

PLEASE HELP
Kind Regards
Martin

Is Anyone else researching the Burgess Family?

I can't see them, but this came from a search of parish records with Norfolk selected as the county, unfortunatley there are no Christian names

Parish Records Collection - marriage
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License Date : 24 Oct 1850
License Year: 1850
Bride Surname: BURGESS
Dual Date : 24 Oct 1850
Groom Surname: BLAKEMAN

I assume you have tried "search trees" on the green bar at the top of the page to see if anyone has this family in their tree

Just for clarity is this the right one?

Births Sep 1849 (>99%)
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BURGESS Annie Maria Stoke on T_ 17 175

Oh, what county are we looking at? As no county was given, I googled it and the only shelton I saw was Norfolk

Having looked again, there are Sheltons all over the place,so I will wait for Martin to say where it is

There are several Sheltons.

If you mean the one in Stoke on Trent, there is a possible marriage for Martha

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Ainsworth Elizabeth Stoke on T 17 250
Burgess Martha Stockton T 17 250
Burgess Martha Stoke on T 17 250 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Crutchley Euphratus Stoke on T. 17 250
Forrester Ann Stoke on T. 17 250
Henney Thomas Stoke on T 17 250
Hulme Martha Stoke on T 17 250
Shaw Richard Stoke on T. 17 250
Wood Enoch Stoke on .T. 17 250

Linda there is a Shelton nr Telford, I don't know which it is but this was the only AM Burgess on Freebmd? There is a marriage for a Martha Burgess also Stoke on Trent the following year....

lol snap Mike :)

Yes Rose .
I had to look up the Shufflebottom marriage to get an idea of area.
Wouldn't it be much better if the county had been given in the first place.
Saves people guessing.

I'm going to put this here while I look a bit

Name: Martha Crutchley
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Lodger
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Shelton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Hope
Town: Shelton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
William Hasall 70
Hannah Hasall 64
Thomas Johnson 69
Hugh Crutchley 21 <<<<<<
Martha Crutchley 22 <<<<
Fanny Crutchley 1 9 MO

1861 England Census
about Martha Crutchley Name: Martha Crutchley
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Euphrates Crutchley
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Shelton
Ecclesiastical parish: Hope
Town: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members: Name Age
Euphrates Crutchley 31
Martha Crutchley 32 <<<<<<<<<
Anna Crutchley 13 <<<<<<<<<<
Samuel Crutchley 8
Thomas Crutchley 2
Jane Crutchley 1
William Hassall 80

If indeed it is the right Martha Burgess marrying Euphrates (Hugh?) Crutchley the 'Fanny' in 1851, may be the Anna of '61...Anna...Annie?

How about this from 1861 to tie in with marriage found by Mike?


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Burgess Martha Stockton T 17 250
Burgess Martha Stoke on T 17 250
Crutchley Euphratus Stoke on T. 17 250


1861 England Census
about Martha Crutchley
Name: Martha Crutchley
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Euphrates Crutchley
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Shelton
Ecclesiastical parish: Hope
Town: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members: Name Age
Euphrates Crutchley 31
>>>>Martha Crutchley 32
>>>>Anna Crutchley 13
Samuel Crutchley 8
Thomas Crutchley 2
Jane Crutchley 1
William Hassall 80


There is a Martha Burgess born 1829 on the 1841 census living in Shelton

EDIT Rambling Rose, SNAP!

Andy

and in 1871

1871 England Census
about Martha Crutchley Name: Martha Crutchley
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Hanley
Ecclesiastical parish: Wellington
Town: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Hopkin 50
George Hopkin 20
Charles Hopkin 18
Dinah Hopkin 16
Robert Hopkin 14
Cuphrates Crutchley 40
Martha Crutchley 42
Thomas Crutchley 12
Heneretta Crutchley 7
Mary Ann Crutchley 3
William Crutchley 2


The oldest girl, Anna? has left home

Andy and the Martha in 1841 is with Hannah and William Hassall as in 1851,

Result!

Andy

Looks hopeful doesn't it? :)

Thanks everyone for the help I am so sorry not to have said the country, it is indeed stoke upon trent. I was so used to in my research just saying shelton, I am again sorry about not mentioning the country. I am so chuffed with what you have found it definitely seems plausible that Martha married Euphrates Crutchley and that Annie took the Crutchley name. It is possible that Annie was mispelled to Anna also which seems again plausible. Also not being present on the 1871 census is also good as she married in 1868 to George Martin Shufflebottom. Thanks again everyone I will be using this research to carry on my family tree everyone fits its the right area especially Hanley, Staffordshire. I am forever in your debt
Kind Regards
Martin

Good News everyone we have solved the mystery the Fanny in the 1851 census is indeed Annie as it states fanny is 1 year and 9 months which matches exactly with Annie's date of birth of June 5th 1849. Thanks to everyone who has helped.
Kind and Happy Regards
Martin

Good luck with the rest of your tree Martin, hope you can find out what the link was with the Hassalls who appear on the earlier census :)

Rose

Hi everyone I have found some more stuff out, Martha's parents were Thomas and Maria Burgess. That is where Annie's middle name maria comes from, I have a suspicion that Annie's maternal grandmother Maria's maiden name might have been Hassall. Martha's father thomas died in 1841 I believe and I believe Maria might have died some time before so she was left an orphan and I believe she may have been looked after by her mothers family the Hassall's I'll have to prove it though. I need to get to Stoke-Upon-Trent.
Kind Regards
Martin