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Hello

This afternoon I posted a request ( Look up please John Bishop)
I got a prompt reply giving me his Father Thomas Bishop.

I realise now that I should not have started another thread for Thomas Bishop. Too late, in my ignorance as a newby I did it.

I now realise that it can cause problems with duplicated research but at the time ,I thought the original for John was finished.

I will be sure not to make that mistake again.

The problem is, there are two lines of research on the latest thread. One which has the line (Thomas)coming from Priddy in Sommerset and another coming from Devon.

Now I know these people have tried to help and for that I am truly greatful, but I am so cofused by what they have found ( and they all seem to be confident experts) I now dont know who is right

Perhaps someone out there could have a look at these threads for me and offer an opinion.

The last thing I want to do is go down the wrong road but if you read the threads you will see how easy for a novice that would be.

I do realise this is a sensitive issue and the last thing I want to do is offend or seem ungreateful but only one line can be right and it would be such a shame to waste all of thier effort.

Please feel free to PM me if you have an opinion as to which might be right or add to the thread as normal.

Thank you

Steven

Just for reference these are the two threads -

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1090998

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1090977

Hi Steven
I'm glad you've written how confusing two threads can be - some people think we moan for nothing!!
We none of us are 'experts' - we just try to help using the experience we've gained.
I haven't seen either thread yet -
Bishop is going to be hard - very popular name (don't like to use the word 'common')

I will have a look
Christine

john was from devon


1851 England Census
about John Bishop
Name: John Bishop
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Ottery St Mary, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Ottery St Mary
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Honiton
Sub registration district: Ottery St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 5f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
John Bishop 9
Mary Ann Bishop 37
Mary Jane Bishop 6
Ann French 58
Jane N K 16



1861 England Census
about John Bishop
Name: John Bishop
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Ottery St Mary, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Ottery St Mary
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Honiton
Sub registration district: Ottery St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
John Bishop 18
Mary Bishop 46
Mary J Bishop 16





1871 England Census
about John Bishop
Name: John Bishop
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Ottery St Mary, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Redcliffe
Ecclesiastical parish: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Bristol
Sub registration district: St Mary Redcliff
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Bishop 26
John Bishop 28



1881 England Census
about John Bishop
Name: John Bishop
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England

Civil Parish: Bristol St Mary Redcliff
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: 20 Prewetts Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Laborer

Registration district: Bristol
Sub registration district: St Mary Redcliff
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Ann Bishop 34
Catherine Bishop 9
John Bishop 36
Mary J. Bishop 7




1891 England Census
about John Bishop
Name: John Bishop
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Autry; St Mary, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Bedminster
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bedminster
Sub registration district: Bedminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Bishop 46
Florence B Bishop 3
John Bishop 48
Mary J Bishop 17
Nellie Bishop 7


1901 England Census
about John Bishop
Name: John Bishop
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Autrey St Mary, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Bedminster St Luke
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub registration district: Bedminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Bishop 57
Florence B Bishop 13
John Bishop 56
Nellie Bishop 17


I'd go along with these - found by JenW -
Most consistent - to be sure - you'd have to buy some certs -

Christine

Steven I've copied part of one of your threads

"Steven



Request review

Today at 18:00

Hello

Well,

I have John Bishop c1842 married to Ann Hiscox c1845 as the parents of Catherine Bishop c1872 who married James Thomas Roy c1871.

Thier daughter Florence Roy c1901was my Grandmother.

Florence was married to William George Stanley Jones and they came from the Redcliffe area of Bristol.

Please help, as I now have my doubts about the whole line. "

Now your really NOT going to like what I'm going to say but here goes-

You are making a fundamental mistake in not buying copy certs. I can tell by your post that you've not bought Florence's birth cert. I'm afraid that if you are going to research your tree you are going to have to start again by locating & buying a copy. You may even need to start at a late date than this, it depends on what information you have that you can confirm.

As Christine says, Bishop is not the most unusual name & as you have seen, is it very easy to follow the wrong line.

Your not the first to do this, I've done it myself but you need to start at the begining & slowly work your way back.

Sent pm regarding ' expert ' help. thanks all

This looks like Florence & William's marriage, you will need this cert to attempt the Jones family

Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
JONES William G S Roy Bristol 6a 138 Scan available - click to view
ROY Florence B Jones Bristol 6a 138 Scan available - click to view
SALTER Christopher Edwards Bristol 6a 138 Scan available - click to view

This looks like her birth, the middle initial & place of birth match


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Florence Beatrice Roy
Name: Florence Beatrice Roy
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bristol
County: Avon, Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 49

She could well have been born after 31 March 1901 when the census was taken

Hello all
I have Florence Beatrice Jones Death cert 31/03 1963
Widower of deceased WGS jones.
Also Marraige cert of WGS Jones 15/4 1922 age 21 father William Henry Jones to Florence Beatrice Roy age 20 father James Thomas Roy.
Steven

Hello
I hve just been told I have to go to bed and stop my search for dead relatives.
Its morbid.
Thank you all very much for your help.
One day I might be able to help you.
Steven

What is James Thomas Roy occupation from Florence marriage cert. Also who were the witnesses?

Florence Beatrice Jones death in 1963 she is age 61

Hello Tracey
Florence was indeed 61 when she died.
As for James, it says he was a bricklayer.
Any help?
Steven

I think this shows just how important it is to spend some money buying certificates.

1901 census.
James Roy 1871 Bristol occ stonemasons labourer
Catherine wife 1872 Bristol occ cigar maker
Nellie dau 1900 Bristol

address 6 Brewers Place Bristol

Hello everyone
Thank you all for your help and interest.
There has been so much research done by so many of you.
As you can see by reading the threads some of the info doesnt quite fit, so the only way forward I think is to get the certs one at a time.
At least some of it will prove to be correct Im sure.
The only way to prove it is the certs.
Thank you all once again
Steven

Steve
You are making the right decision getting certs. Having certs is the only way to prove the findings on the census. Its also exciting waiting for them to arrive. Marriage certs often have family as witnesses. Sometims married sisters so you get thier married name.
Death certs with the informant who again could be married daughters.

lol Steven welcome to our world, the world of waiting on the doorstep for the post & near strangling the poor postman if he fails to deliver

Steven

The ONLY way forward is to buy the certificates.

I myself consider the least helpful certificate is the death certificate ......... the only thing that you can be certain of on a death certificate is the date of death, the cause of death, the doctor's name, and the informant's name!! Everything else on there is only what is known to the informant ........... this means that the name of dead person may well be incorrect or spelt wrongly, age at death may well be wrong, marital status may be wrong or omitted, etc.

Take it slowly, step by step. Buy as many certificates as you can afford, especially birth and marriage




Personally .............. I believe that any help given to you on these boards should NOT be taken as the final ultimate information

.......... YOU yourself need to follow up and check out all the information given to you.


After all, we are only members like yourself, with a little more experience and expertise in searching out information.

We can be wrong ... and often are!!!




Good luck!



sylvia