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please can someone help me, i am well and truly stuck.i am looking for marraiges and or deaths for ann d.o.b.1850 and helen d.o.b.1847 farnan looked on scotlands people but keep coming up with no match.parents are anne nee mullan and patrick d.o.b's c 1826 in ireland, i have them on the 1861 census living with parents and siblings, but can't find any other information on either, thank you jean

Jean

Does the census indicate they were born in Scotland or Ireland?

By 1871 they would either be married or in service.... have you tried to find a marriage on the BMD?


Tracey

1861 is this the right family?

Name: Helen Farnan
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Patrick
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Female
Where born: Bothwell, Lanark
Registration Number: 625/2
Registration district: Holytown
Civil Parish: Bothwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: New Stevenson
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 164
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_92
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Farnan 35 Ireland
Anne Farnan 11
Helen Farnan 14
John Farnan 10 Mo
Michael Farnan 10 Mo
Owen Farnan 3
Patrick Farnan 35 Ireland
Peter Farnan 7

I got those too GB,

I think they said they were from Scotland but i cannot find them on the 1851 so i wonder if the girls were born in Ireland and travelled over between 1847 and 1861?


Tracey

(looking on SP for marriages now)

Hi Tracey,

Not having much luck with 1871 at the moment


Maureen

1871 some things match but ??

Name: Anne Farnan
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: St Mary
Civil Parish: Liff and Benvie
County: Angus
Address: 17 Blackness Rd
Occupation: Jack Sewer
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 71
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1871_50
Household Members: Name Age
Andw Farnan 13 - could this be Owen on 1861??
Ann Farnan 20
Anne Farnan 45
Helen Farnan 23
John Farnan 11
Peter Farnan 15
Mary Gavine 25

Hey hunny,

I think they'd have been married off.... it is possible they either migrated back to Ireland or they shipped to USA?

Hmmm...gonna go check passenger lists.

Tracey

(no marriage found for Helen on SP....trying for Ann now!)

Hi Glitter baby, wayne/tracey, the 1861 indicates they were born in scotland, but i think the 1871 shows they were born in ireland ,this is where i am confused, i don't know if this is my family on the 1871 although the names and ages match, thanks for the help. jean

Could this be our Ann??

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Ann Farnan
Name: Ann Farnan
Arrival Date: 23 Aug 1869
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Ireland
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Irish
Ship Name: Iowa
Search Ship Database: Search the Iowa in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 49
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_316
List Number: 978
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

hi wayne/tracey, it certainley fits her description re age , i will have to check if she was born in ireland or scotland now, you have been very helpful, i am new to all this and itm is taking me a while to figure out where to look next., thanks very much. jean

Jean all we'll say is...and i think GB will agree, take what you see on the census with a good dose of salt.

Parents tended to tell a few porkies when it came to where their children were born... and even themselves sometimes!! They want to socially 'fit in' to the new area they are living in... so they say the children were born at a village close by... sometimes adults on later census's get a little confused and state they were born at the place they are living !!!

When you get to the earlier census's knowledge and understanding is very thin on the ground, and you end up with all sorts of mush!!

Take your time, always go with what you actually know for sure...and the best bit of advice is, if your stuck ask !!!


Tracey :-)

Hi wayne /tracey, thanks for the advice, i have been going round in circles looking at these bl..... d'y census's, so here's another question for you , if it is ann going to america how can i find out what happened to her once she arrived ? jean

I'm quite well oiled now... but i'll take a peek for you and see what i can find !

T x

1870 United States Federal Census
about Ann Farnan
Name: Ann Farnan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Age in 1870: 22
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1870: New York Ward 14 District 11 (2nd Enum), New York, New York
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View Image
Post Office: New York City
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Farnan 22

Your'e a star, what can i say! but i don't think that is her on the ships passenger list 'cos arrival date says 1869 and i think she is on the 1871 census that GB found. , jean

How do you do it ? I really don't know if it is her. thank you very much for all your hard work it is much appreciated, best regards jean. i don't know what to do now,i think i will have to have a cuppa.

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Still trying to find ann(anne) b.1850, helen b.1847 and now mary b.1846 they are all on scottiish census for 1871 living with mother ann(anne) b.1826 in ireland, brothers andrew(owen) my gr.grandfather b.1858,john b.1860 and peter b.1856 ,have found births for the three sons but not for the three girls on o.p.r.in scotland,it shows on the census they were all born in lanarkshire but living in dundee, can't find marraiges either for the girls. any help would be much appreciated. thank you . jean

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