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please could you help me conferm who Alfred Mothersole b 1881 BERKHAMSTED Hertfordshire England , there is a
Marriage for him in 1902 ,as i have 2 pos names
Edith Louisa A Crack
Emma Melton
to conferm this i need help with a 1911 census look up please.as this will tell me who his wife was,
thanking you

Where and when please or his dob

jax

Alfred Mothersole b 1881 Herts Potton End Berkhampstead
wed 1902 bury st ed

Ummmm

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MOTHERSOLE, Alfred
Address: 7 Highfield Road Berkhamsted


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MOTHERSOLE, Alfred Head Married M 30 1881 Bricklayer Herts Potton End VIEW
MOTHERSOLE, Jennie Wife Married
2 years F 30 1881 London Hampstead VIEW
MOTHERSOLE, Hettie Daughter F 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Herts Berkhamsted VIEW

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thank you Jax,
not what i had but you have the right name, i must have made a mistake , will have be more carefull
thanks again

this is the only marriage that matches that date unless they never married??

Name: Alfred Mothersole
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Spouse Name: Sarah Mary Jane Priddle
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 06 Feb 1909
Parish: St Andrew, Haverstock Hill
County: London
Borough: Camden
Father Name: William Mothersole
Spouse Father Name: William Henry Priddle

Jennie could be a diminutive for Sarah Mary Jane?

There is one Mothersole-Priddle birth after the census:

Births Dec 1911
Mothersole Leslie A -Priddle- Holborn 1b 1170

This is SMJP's birth:

Births Dec 1880
PRIDDLE Sarah Mary J Pancras 1b 146

which could match the 1911.


1881 census

Name: Sarah My.Jane Priddle
Relation: Daughter
> Father's name: William Hy. Priddle
Mother's name: Mary Priddle
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras

Here she is in 1901 -- in Hampstead, which could explain the place of birth in the 1911:

Name: Mary Jane Priddle
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Servant
Where born: Kentish Town, London, England

Civil Parish: Hampstead

Looks like he married Emma in 1902 as it matches her age in 1901

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Mothersole Emma 40 Thingoe 4a 531


1901 census - household transcription
Person: MELTON, Emma
Address: 5, Mayne Water Lane, Bury St Edmunds


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MELTON, William Head Married M 77 1824 Retired Gardener
Norton
Suffolk VIEW
MELTON, Marid Wife Married F 72 1829
Rattlesden
Suffolk VIEW
MELTON, Ellen Mary Daughter Single F 38 1863 Cook Domestic
Buchamwell
Norfolk VIEW
MELTON, Emma Daughter Single F 36 1865 Cook Domestic
Buchamwell
Norfolk VIEW

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Aha -- not mutually exclusive then!

Except ... he married someone nearly 20 years older than him? Not maybe a different Alfred Mothersole?

Marriages Dec 1884
? Elsden Eliza Thingoe 4a 1081
? HILL Eliza Thingoe 4a 1081
Mothersole Alfred Baker Thingoe 4a 1081


1901

Name: Alfred B Mothersole
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza Mothersole
Where born: Pakenham, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Earsham
County/Island: Norfolk
Registration district: Depwade

Alfred B Mothersole 40
Eliza Mothersole 42
James B Mothersole 12
Jack G Mothersole 8


Deaths Dec 1901
Mothersole Eliza 45 Depwade 4b 155


Marriages Dec 1902
Melton Emma Bury St. E. 4a 1748
MOTHERSOLE Alfred B Bury St. E. 4a 1748


Different Alfred married Emma Melton in 1902.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MOTHERSOLE, Alfred
Address: Hall Cottage Hazlewood Saxmundham


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MOTHERSOLE, Alfred Head Widower M 50 1861 Farm Labourer Suffolk Pakenham VIEW
MOTHERSOLE, Jack Son Single M 18 1893 Farm Labourer Suffolk Westhall VIEW
MOTHERSOLE, Ellen Daughter F 7 1904 School Suffolk Sivermere VIEW
MOTHERSOLE, Martha Sister Single F 55 1856 Housekeeper Suffolk Pakenham VIEW

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Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
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Mothersole Ellen Eva Thingoe 4a 976

Daughter birth cert would confirm mother's name


Births Sep 1910
MOTHERSOLE Hettie - Berkhampstead 3a 888

thank you all for your help , i have got a lot to sort out now , and when i can get my tree to load (which i am having probs with) i will have a good sort out ,
thanking you all for all the help you have given me

happy hunting and happy new year ,

Just remember that if your Alfred *is* the one who married Sarah Mary Jane (Jennie) Priddle, he is *not* the one who married Eliza and then Emma! That Alfred was a generation older, and is not related at all except by coincidence of name. ;)

That other Alfred is the one in 1911 who is widowed with children Jack, Martha and Ellen.

To summarize it, if your Alfred is the one you described:

Alfred Mothersole b 1881 Herts Potton End Berkhampstead

then he didn't marry in 1902. The other Alfred did.

Your Alfred is this Alfred in 1911:

MOTHERSOLE, Alfred Head Married M 30 1881 Bricklayer Herts Potton End
MOTHERSOLE, Jennie Wife Married 2 years F 30 1881 London Hampstead
MOTHERSOLE, Hettie Daughter F 0 (7 mo) 1911 Herts Berkhamsted

His marriage:

Marriages Mar 1909
MOTHERSOLE Alfred Pancras 1b 30
PRIDDLE Sarah Mary J Pancras 1b 30

His wife's birth:

Births Dec 1880
PRIDDLE Sarah Mary J Pancras 1b 146

His daughter's birth:

Births Sep 1910
MOTHERSOLE Hettie - Berkhampstead 3a 888

His other child's birth:

Births Dec 1911
Mothersole Leslie A -Priddle- Holborn 1b 1170

thanks JaneyCanuck ,for your hard work,
I wonder if any one will question my marrage to my hubby when i am gone as we have a 20 year age gap, so i guess anything is possable,

Heh, DawnB.

But you do realize that while anything may possible, it simply is not possible that the Alfred Mothersole who married in 1902 is the Alfred born 1881who is in the 1911 census with daughter Hettie? -- I hope!


Births Mar 1858
Mothersole Alfred Baker Thingoe 4a 455

Births Jun 1881
Mothersole Alfred Berkhampstead 3a 519


Different guys, unrelated. Just checking!

There were actually a couple of dozen Alfred Mothersole-s born in England in the 1800s. You just lighted on one of the wrong 'uns.