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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 May 2016 20:14

Got it now! Thanks.
Not sure about the Albert R O Gillham - think Rose(?) ruled him out?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 May 2016 19:58

(sorry Det. was Austin!, quick c&p below)

Chris :)

ALLEGED THEFT OF
At Ih? Frtversham County police ay, before May (F. Austin, dzuard Cornelius, fl-b* worker, of I lieUlwioh, amt William Crahb, ving at Bheltlwict*, were nharge<l with V‘ fame fowla, v-nuo 10*., tbe pr« bar lea Gordon Name, Copton, bet' ...”

27 February 1904 - Canterbury Journal, Kentish Times and Farmers'


(and other was Albert R O)

Cobham.’ THEFT OF COPPER AT 1 WHITSTABLE. AIARRIED AIAN ROUND OVER
Albert Richard Oliver Gillham (27), 62, i Cromwell Road S., Whitstable, appeared remand at the Herne Bay sitting of the St. Augustine’s Petty ...”

03 August 1929 - Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald - Whitstable

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 May 2016 19:27

You got me going there! Unfortunately the witness at the wedding was Austin E Cornelius. He was Sarah's brother. Although there are loads of Cornelius in the Faversham area, Alfred Edward doesn't appear to be in this line.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 May 2016 07:26

lol, never know what will turn up, Alfred Edward Cornelius (witness at Marriage) stealing game fowl 1904...

So 1911 Sarah back to Luton Road, Marriage address, although different number.

Chris ;)

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 26 May 2016 07:15

Thanks Chris. Assuming that's from FMP, I'll have a closer look. My lot are so 'ordinary' its unusual to find anything in the papers!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 May 2016 06:02

(below snippet)

Chris :)

12 May 1923 - Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald - Whitstable,

Faversham Man Drowned
Mr. F. V. Bidden (Deputy Coroner) held an inquest on the body of James Stupple, 1, Hugh Place, Faversham, at the Guildhall Wednesday. Sarah Ann Eliza Stupple, the widow, stated that her husband was aged 46. He had been a labourer on the railway, but had had no work since Christmas. On Sunday morning about 9.30 he went to his sister's at the Shipwright's Arms, Hollow Shore, she did not think he could swim...

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 25 May 2016 07:43

A tree on Ancestry has the birth of a son of Alfred (John Alfred) on 11 December 1947 - so you can scratch him off 1939 register

Jude

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 25 May 2016 07:27

Jude - none of the 1939 registers had originally been found, so thanks for that. :-)
Back later.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 25 May 2016 07:09

I know you have Ethel's death but here she is in 1939 (apologies if this already posted)

Ethel S Ford (Gillam) 25 Jun 1904 Female Paid Help Domestic Single 198 1
Address 28 Holland Road Southend

Jude

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 23:44

Now you see why I've been going round in circles :-D

Thank you so much for your assistance - I'll check in tomorrow to see if there are any updates. At least you've all managed to put some of them 'to bed'.

Rambling

Rambling Report 24 May 2016 23:34

Wondering about this? EDIT No.... this one is Albert Edward on the CWGC


Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription

First name(s) Albert
Last name Gillham
Gender Male
Birth year 1902
Birth date 1902
Birth place Dover
Death year 1917
Death date 24 Mar 1917
Age 15
Vessel name Achille Adam
Departure port -
County AT SEA
Series BT 334
Box 0071
Page 13
Record set Deaths at sea, 1781-1968
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Catherine

Catherine Report 24 May 2016 23:31

I do believe the marriage is correct as 1939 register gives correct date of birth.


This looks to be her death:-

First name(s) SARAH A E
Last name STUPPLE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1879
Age 83
Death quarter 1
Death year 1962
District THANET
County Kent
Volume 5B
Page 1178
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 May 2016 23:30

EDIT:
No, ignore this. Mabel was born end of 1899:
Births Dec 1899 (>99%)
Gillham Mabel Faversham 2a 895




[Deleted wrong info based on a Mabel born 1906.]

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 23:27

Although I’d seen the asylum record for Richard Gillham, I’d dismissed it as being out of area. However, if his daughter Elsie E did marry in Dartford, it does provide a more plausible link.

Sarah A E’s remarriage in 1915 looks good! She doesn’t have much luck with husbands does she? Assuming its correct, it more or less rules out the Australian venture.

Rose – I’d kept wondering if Albert Richard had assumed on O(liver). At least we can discard that one now.

Rambling

Rambling Report 24 May 2016 23:18

Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Gillham Albert R O Revell Faversham 2a 257_

Gillham Household (2 People)
21 Nelson Road , Whitstable U.D., Kent, England
ON
Albert R O Gillham 07 Dec 1901 Glass Filler
Minnie E Gillham 05 Jun 1909 Unpaid Domestic Duties

Deaths Mar 1962 (>99%)
GILLHAM Albert R O 61 Bridge 5b 80


Edit no can't be that one as the date of birth doesn't match the navy record

Catherine

Catherine Report 24 May 2016 23:13

Wonder if this is Richard?

First name(s) Richard
Last name Gillham
Year 1913
Entry date 10 Jul 1913
Status/occupation Patient
Summary Classified as Private Patient at 15/2d a week
Place Bexley
Institution Asylum
County Kent
Country England
Book Resolutions Book 6
Page 38
Line number 683
Source To arrange to view full Notice or Minute in the Book, contact the NW Kent Family History Society library.
Record set Kent, Bexley Asylum minute books, 1901-1939
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Hospitals
Collections from Great Britain

..........but can't find a death.

Rambling

Rambling Report 24 May 2016 23:04

British Merchant Navy, First World War Medal Cards 1914-1925 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) Albert
Last name Gilham
Birth year 1901
Birth place as transcribed Favesham
Birth place Favesham
Birth county -
Birth country -
Link to site http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8018417
Source Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Index of First World War Mercantile Marine Medals and the British War Medal
Archive reference BT 351/1/50950
Record set British Merchant Navy, First World War Medal Cards 1914-1925
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain

Catherine

Catherine Report 24 May 2016 23:02

Could she have remarried:-

First name(s) SARAH A E
Last name GILLHAM
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1915

Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ SARAH A E GILLHAM married

JAMES STUPPLE
Spouse's last name STRIPPLE

District FAVERSHAM
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 2960
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain


1939

Stupple Household (2 People)
1 Hughes Place , Faversham M.B., Kent, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL
STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Sarah A E Stupple (22 Apr 1878) Female Housewife Widowed 38 1

Paul V Pittock 24 Apr 1881 Male Public Works Labourer Single 38 2

Date of birth fits, so looks to be her.


EDIT:- Death of second husband?

Deaths Jun 1923 (>99%)
STUPPLE James 46 Faversham 2a 1009


This looks to be relevant to second husband:-

First name(s) James
Last name Stupple
Birth year 1878
Admission year 1918
Age 41
Occupation/grade Labourer
Trade Railway workers
Union name National Union of Railwaymen
Union branch Faversham
Union branch as transcribed Faversham
County Kent
Country England
Archive Modern Records Centre
Archive reference MSS.127/NU/OR/2/62
Folio or page 246
Title General Register
Dates Jan-Feb 1919
Information contained Members 913001-928000
No of volumes 1
Record set Britain, Trade Union membership registers
Category Education & work
Subcategory Guild & Trade Associations
Collections from Great Britain


1911
5 Thomas Square Faversham, Faversham Within, Kent, England
First name(s) James
Last name Stupple
Relationship Head
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Occupation Worker
Age 34
Birth year 1877
Birth place Herne Bay Kent
Address 5 Thomas Square Faversham
Parish Faversham Within
County Kent
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Faversham
Registration district number 60
Enumeration district 6
District number -
Sub district Faversham
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN4395 RG78PN179 RD60 SD2 ED6 SN240
Piece number 4395
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) JAMES
Other household member last name BACK, STUPPLE
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

Also in household:-
- Back Housekeeper Married Female Fieldsworker 38 1873 Dartford Kent

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 May 2016 22:59

Have you found Sarah Cornelius / Gillham after 1911? If not, could this be her with Ivy?

Ivy Gilham
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Ivy Gilham
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 3 Nov 1911
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Matatua
Shipping line: Shaw Savill & Albion Co, Ltd
Official Number: 114599
Master: L B Gillman


She's a child, travelling with Mrs Gilham, housewife.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 22:58

Rose - and you think you were lost?? If I'd added all B, Bap, M or D records, it would have run into 2 pages :-D :-D
The Merchant Navy record does look promising.

Thanks for identifying Nellie's death Choccy - no wonder I couldn't find her on the 1939. She married a toy boy and didn't want the age difference to be known. ;-)