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Edited the other post . Hope I haven't taken out any important clues .Is there a way to join the threads to make more sense .
The other threads were a few years ago . ileft it and came back to it .
John Thomas (birth certificate Alfred John Huxtable ) and William Thomas were both born before their mother married .so cannot trace their true father(s)
with any certainty .
Family stories and writing in Johns bible say histrue father was one of the Thomas family from Sutton manor Llandow Cowbridge where his mother was a servant and that Huxtable was a gardener paid to put his name on the birth certificate . But there is no way I know of proving that.
So have been trying to trace his mothers side . Difficulty there is his mothers father's age . It is so widely different on the census that there is no way of tracing the correct one . .
Also Link to this thread http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1354903

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1314522?page=2

(below from above, this is the problem when too many 'Threads' relating!)

Chris :)


Vicci Report 26 Nov 2012 08:14

seem to be on the right track with John Thomas b.1879 aka Alfred John Huxtable and Geogre thomas (the younger) being half brothers
their mother being Margaret daughter of John and Elizabeth

Margaret married George Thomas and it seems he took on William Huxstable as his own (he appears with the family in 1891 as William Thomas, but John remained with his grandparents. all living on the same street in 1891 (Nolton st)

can you post all the details of the John Thomas and Elizabeth Richards marriage ? just to re-check


friendlywelshdragon Report 26 Nov 2012 08:55

Hi Vicci . It's the marriage of John Thomas and Elizabeth Richards that I am trying to trace. The 1911 census says the were married 14 years, which would make it 1837 . I got a certificate for that year in Cardiff for a John thomas and Elizabeth Anne Richards , but the dates are too far out . John is 29 and Elizabeth 26 and John's father is Thomas Thomas.and as we know now John's father whould be named as either George Thomas or John Huxtable .


This is the 1911 census
1911 census transcription details for: 6 Greenfield Terrace Maesteg

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN32533 RG78PN1858 RD591 SD1 ED8 SN100
Reg. District: Bridgend
Sub District: Maesteg
Parish: Cwmdu
Enum. District: 8

Address: 6 Greenfield Terrace Maesteg
County: Glamorganshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

THOMAS, John Head Married M 32 1879 Engineman Underground Cambridge
THOMAS, Elizabeth Wife Married 14 years F 31 1880 Housewife Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, Fred Son Single M 12 1899 School Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, Alfred Son M 10 1901 School Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, William Son M 8 1903 School Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, Martha Daughter F 6 1905 School Bridgend Glam
THOMAS, Lilly Daughter F 4 1907 Maesteg Glam
THOMAS, Sarah Margaret Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Maesteg Glam


John was the owner of 6 Greenfield Terrace (his granddaughter still lives there ) and his son Alfred owned 23 Greenfield . where I now live. The address was changed from Terrace to Street when houses were built on the opposite side.

(one below, not seeing Alfred, did he marry, stay in area?)

Chris :)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

Cartry Ystradgynlais Plascoed , Ystradgynlais R.D., Breconshire
William G Thomas 10 Mar 1881 Male Colliery Surface (Stationery) Engineman Married
Mary B Thomas 30 Apr 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Garfield W Thomas 02 Jun 1912 Male Colliery Surface General Labourer Single


Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------------
Thomas Garfield W Rogers Bridgend 11a 1850

Birth certificates for grandchildren on 1881 census
Alfred John Huxtable fourth February 1879
Baptised as Alfred John Thomas May 22nd 1879 Nolton Bridgend

William Thomas Born Tenth march 1881 father not named on certififcate

Margaret Thomas Baptised March 7 1860 Nolton bridgend

Wedding Margaret Thomas to George Thomas First October 1883 Oldcastle Bridgend
Death certificate Margaret Thomas 7th October 1894
Oldcastle Bridgend Buried in Coity

(not too easy to follow, with all those spaces!, you need to click 'Edit' at top of your posting, and then use Backspace, to get rid of spacing, or any other unwanted bits.)

Chris :)


1891 (Find My Past)
Elizabeth Thomas Head Widow Female 60 1831 Charwoman Glamorgan, Wales
John Thomas Grandson - Male 12 1879 Scholar Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales
Thomas Llewellyn Lodger Single Male 50 1841 General Labourer Ogmore, Glamorgan, Wales
John Hamen Lodger Single Male 45 1846 General Labourer Bettws, Glamorgan, Wales
Thomas Owens Lodger Single Male 45 1846 Tailor Ireland
Thomas Collins Lodger Single Male 56 1835 General Labourer Ireland
John Connor Lodger Single Male 60 1831 General Labourer Ireland
Richard Llewellyn Lodger Single Male 34 1857 Farm Labourer Glamorgan, Wales
Jesse Bamfield Lodger Single Male 34 1857 General Labourer Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales
Street Chapel Street
Town Bridgend
Parish Lower Coyty
County Glamorganshire
Registration district Bridgend
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 4454
Folio 97
Page 51


1901
Betsy Thomas Head Married Female 69 1832 - Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
William Thomas Grand Son Single Male 20 1881 Tanner Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
Margarett Thomas Grand Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Laundry Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
Richard Llewellyn Boarder Single Male 43 1858 Labourer Glamorgan, Wales
Jesse Sanwell Boarder Single Male 46 1855 Labourer Glamorgan, Wales
William Dorman Boarder Single Male 56 1845 Labourer Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Street Maddock Place
Town Bridgend
Parish Oldcastlle
Country Wales
County Glamorganshire
Registration district Bridgend
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 5050
Folio 57
Page 47

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Chapel Street, Lower Coyty, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales



Elizabeth Thomas Head Widow Female 60 1831 Charwoman Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

John Thomas Grandson - Male 12 1879 Scholar Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Thomas Llewellyn Lodger Single Male 50 1841 General Labourer Ogmore, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

John Hamen Lodger Single Male 45 1846 General Labourer Bettws, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Thomas Owens Lodger Single Male 45 1846 Tailor Ireland
?Transcription

Thomas Collins Lodger Single Male 56 1835 General Labourer Ireland
?Transcription

John Connor Lodger Single Male 60 1831 General Labourer Ireland
?Transcription

Richard Llewellyn Lodger Single Male 34 1857 Farm Labourer Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Jesse Bamfield Lodger Single Male 34 1857 General Labourer Raglan, Monmouthshire, Wales
?Transcription


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

33, Maddock Place, Bridgend, Oldcastle, Glamorganshire, Wales
Betsy Thomas Head Married Female 69 1832 - Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

William Thomas Grand Son Single Male 20 1881 Tanner Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Margarett Thomas Grand Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Laundry Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Richard Llewellyn Boarder Single Male 43 1858 Labourer Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Jesse Sanwell Boarder Single Male 46 1855 Labourer Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

William Dorman Boarder Single Male 56 1845 Labourer Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Yes . the Elizabeth Thomas I was looking for is here in 1881 marked with****
She was my great grandfathers, grandmother . Tried to find her hoping to find her husband but cannot find records for either in cemeterys in Bridgend .Trying to find the husband hasn't been possible because of the ages given on the different census She was born in Swansea so I thought she might have gone back there as the daughters name and age fits . But I know she was in Bridgend in 1891 and 1901 .1881 census transcription details for: 131, Nolton St, Lower Coyty
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5331
Folio: 93
Page: 27
Reg. District: Bridgend
Sub District: Bridgend
Parish: Lower Coyty
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 131, Nolton St, Lower Coyty
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
THOMAS, John Head Married M 80 1801 Farm Labourer
Tavistock, Devon
THOMAS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 50 1831
Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales ****
>>THOMAS, Margaret Daughter Single F 22 1859 Domestic Servant
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
THOMAS, Anne Daughter Single F 16 1865 Domestic Servant
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
THOMAS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 14 1867 Domestic Servant
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
THOMAS, Catherine Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
>>HUXTABLE, John Grand Son Single M 2 1879
Cowbridge, Glamorganshire, Wales
>>HUXTABLE, William H Grand Son Single M 0 1881
Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales
SMITH, Jane Visitor Widow F 64 1817

Highworth, Wiltshire

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1317805?page=1

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1354812

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1314522?d=desc

(are above relating here?, somehow!)


edits (are any on 1939 Register (Find My Past) do you have Birth Certs. for Dates?)

Chris :)


friendlywelshdragon Report 19 Jan 2013 17:58

Tried to find birth or baptism of William H Huxtable /Thomas . No Huxtable but found two William H thomas for 1881 One Apl-May- june , one Jul -Aug Sep The census was 3rd April and he is listed as 1 month old on that so both are too late . Cannot find Baptism for Apl- May- june . found Baptism for July- Aug- Sep 1886 but mother is wrong .

What makes it more difficult is the Thomas Name
. . Margarets maiden name was Thomas .
In 1886 she married George Thomas from Swansea (Different family)Also the family that Great-grandad claimed that his real father( not Huxtable) was from were Thomas

Thanks . that's proved that it's the wrong one , .the mother-in-law was in Bridgend in 1901 and I know that is correct . Back to the drawing board.

Possible?

1891

Name: Edward Hopkins
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Town: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4440
Folio: 107
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hitchings 48
Margaret Hitchings 43
William J Hitchings 21
Daniel B Hitchings 15
Margaret H Hitchings 13
Catherine Hitchings 10
Gertrude Hitchings 8
Edward Hopkins 32
Elizabeth Hopkins 25
Hopking Hopkins 3/12

1891

Name: Thomas J Hopkins
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Cockett
Town: Cwmbwrla
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Swansea
Sub registration district: Llandilotalybont

Thomas Thomas 62
Elizabeth Thomas 61
John Thomas 34
Thomas J Hopkins 1

I've added the bridgend census on my post . The ages of the mother and daughter are right . also the family names Margaret and Anne, but I notice that Elizabeth the daughter is listed as born in Killay in1911 and Bridgend in1881.

Marriage?

Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
Harris James Swansea 11a 991
Hazelust Mary Jane Swansea 11a 991
Hopkins Edward Swansea 11a 991
Thomas Elizabeth Swansea 11a 991

1901

Name: Edward Hopkin
Age in 1901: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Hopkin

Where born: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Swansea

Town: Swansea
Ecclesiastical parish: Cockett and Swansea St Peter
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Swansea
Sub-registration district: Llandilo Talybont
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 5069
Folio: 69
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Hopkin 41
Elizabeth Hopkin 35
Thomas John Hopkin 12
Margaret Ann Hopkin 8
Edward Llewely Hopkin 8 Months
Elizabeth Thomas 71
John Thomas 45

Just putting Ancestry transcription, as slightly different & I'm used to it!

Name: Edward Hopkins
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Swansea
Search Photos: Search for 'Swansea' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 1 Pentregethin R Cwmbwrla Swansea
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 23
Estimated Marriage Year: 1888
Occupation: Coal Merchant
Registration district: Swansea
Registration District Number: 594
Sub-registration district: Swansea
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 300
Piece: 32790
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Hopkins 52
Elizabeth Hopkins 45
Elizabeth Thomas 81
Jane Hopkins 54
Thos Jno Hopkins 22
Margaret Ann Hopkins 18
Do Lodwig Hopkins 9
Ed Haydn Hopkins 7

I found this census . but cannot find Edward or Elizabeth Hopkins in 1901 or 1891 . The 1911 census says they have been married 23 years . I am trying to check if Elizabeth Hopkins and The Mother-in -law Elizabeth Thomas are the same people who are on the 1881 census in Bridgend


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Pentregethin Road Cwmbwrla Swansea, Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales



Edward Hopkins Head Married Male Coal Merchant 52 1859 Glamorgan Swansea
?Transcription

Elizabeth Hopkins Wife Married Female Shop Keeper 45 1866 Glamorgan Killay
?Transcription

Elizabeth Thomas Mother-In-Law Widow Female - 81 1830 Glamorgan Swansea
?Transcription

Jno Thomas Brother In Law Batchelor Male Collier Underground 54 1857 Glamorgan Swansea
?Transcription

Thomas Jno Hopkins Son Single Male Colliery Clerk 22 1889 Glamorgan Swansea
?Transcription

Margaret Ann Hopkins Daughter Single Female Assisting In House Work 18 1893 Glamorgan Swansea
?Transcription

Margaret Lodwig Hopkins Son Single Male School 9 1902 Glamorgan Swansea
?Transcription

Ed Haydn Hopkins Son Single Male School 7 1904 Glamorgan Swansea

Bridgend census 1881 .
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

131, Nolton Street, Lower Coyty, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales



John Thomas Head Married Male 80 1801 Farm Labourer Tavistock, Devon, England
?Transcription

Elizabeth Thomas Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Margaret Thomas Daughter Single Female 22 1859 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Anne Thomas Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Elizabeth Thomas Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Domestic Servant Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Catherine Thomas Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

John Huxtable Grand Son Single Male 2 1879 - Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

William H Huxtable Grand Son Single Male 0 1881 - Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
?Transcription

Jane Smith Visitor Widow Female 64 1817 - Highworth, Wiltshire, England