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PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 23 Jan 2017 16:35

Hi Lisa

I see you have found your thread now.

So no worries!

Prickles. :-)

Lisa

Lisa Report 23 Jan 2017 15:28

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
These are mums maternal parents
The Parkins did adopt my grandma, is there any info of a biological father and how did you find adoption records. I was told they were lost in a fire years ago and i wouldn't be able to find out anything further.

Marriages Jun 1929
CASTLE Ernest Nicholls Nottingham 7b 677
Nicholls Hilda Castle Nottingham 7b 677

still in the same area

Deaths Jun 1952
CASTLE Hilda 42 Nottingham 3c 334

Births Dec 1909
NICHOLLS Hilda Nottingham 7b 342

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Mabel
Last name Nicholls
Relationship Servant
Marital status Single
Sex Female
Occupation Wardmaid Domestic
Age 21
Birth year 1890
Birth place Notts Hucknall Torkard
Address Bagthorpe Nottingham
Parish Nottingham
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Nottingham
Registration district number 430
Enumeration district 41
District number -
Sub district Bulwell
Sub district number 5
Census reference RG14PN20672 RD430 SD5 ED41 SN9999
Piece number 20672
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -

Age in 1911: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Adopted Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Nottingham, England
Civil Parish: Nottingham
Search Photos: Search for 'Nottingham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 3 Beaconsfield Terrace Salisbury St Radford
Registration district: Nottingham
Registration District Number: 430
Sub-registration district: Nottingham South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 20497
Household Members:
Name Age
John Arthur Parkin 23
Ellen Parkin 22
Hilda Nichols 1

so its looks like they took her in and brought her up as official adoption didnt start till c1927

Lisa

Lisa Report 23 Jan 2017 15:20

Hello

I want to sincerely apologise for the delay in reading and writing. I've been so ill ive been unable to have sight of GR. I am a kind genuine person and im sorry for late reply.
I've now found this thread and im speechless with the amount of help ive received.
Thank you to all who have replied above

Kindest regards and very much appreciated Lisa x <3

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Jan 2016 15:10

Just checked my out box PH - the message I sent hasn't been opened.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 30 Jan 2016 11:35

Such a shame there is no reply from Lisa.

greyghost

greyghost Report 26 Jan 2016 17:11

PM'd Lisa a couple of days ago re all replies on thread, but haven't heard.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 24 Jan 2016 19:36

Hello Lisa ????

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 24 Jan 2016 09:51

William Nichols in the 1861 England Census
Name: William Nichols
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Nichols
Gender: Male
Where born: Brisley, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Horningtoft
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district:Mitford
Sub-registration district:North Elmham

Household Members:

William Nichols 53 (Ag Lab)
Emily Nichols 48 Born London
Willam Nichols 22
Abram Nichols 20
John Nichols 6


Emily Nichols in the England, Select Norfolk Parish Registers, 1538-1900
Name: Emily Nichols
Burial Date: 9 Aug 1869
Burial Place: Horningtoft, Norfolk, England
Burial Age: 58


William Nichols in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Nichols
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Horningtoft, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish:
Horningtoft
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: North Elmham

Household Members:

William Nichols 52
John Nichols 15 (Son)
William Lusher 23 (Son in Law)
Emily Lusher 21 (Daughter)
Albert Lusher 7 Months (Grandson)



Marriages Sep 1870 (>99%)
LUSHER William Mitford 4b 483
NICHOLS Emily Mitford 4b 483


William Nickolls in the England, Select Norfolk Parish Registers, 1538-1900
Name: William Nickolls
Burial Date: 10 Sep 1873
Burial Place: Horningtoft, Norfolk, England
Burial Age: 66


Prickles. ;o))

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 24 Jan 2016 09:35

Going back to George and Sarah's marriage......
George Nicholas in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name:George Nicholas
Gender: Male
Marriage Date:19 Jan 1866
Marriage Place:Weasenham-St. Peter, Norfolk, England
Father: William Nicholas
Spouse: Sarah Dickerson

This might possibly be George before he married Sarah........


George Nichols in the 1861 England Census
Name: George Nichols
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: 1837
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Horningtoft, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Horningtoft
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district:Mitford
Sub-registration district: North Elmham

Household Members:

Mary Dix 64
Sarah Dix 35
Rebecca Dix 30
Emily Dix 26
Ellen Dix 22
Jane Dye 32
Thomas Wm Dye 3
George Nichols 24




George Nickols in the 1851 England Census
Name: George Nickols
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Nickols
Mother's name: Emily Nickols
Gender: Male
Where born: Whissonsett, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Horningtoft

County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district:Mitford
Sub-registration district: Dereham

William Nickols 43 Brisley, Norfolk, England (Ag Lab)
Emily Nickols 38 London, England
George Nickols 15 Whissonsett, Norfolk, England
William Nickols 13 Horningtoft, Norfolk, England
Abraham Nickols 11 Horningtoft, Norfolk, England
Emily Nickols 1 Horningtoft, Norfolk, England


George Nickolls in the 1841 England Census
Name: George Nickolls
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Horningtoft
Hundred: Launditch
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: North Elmham

William Nickolls 30
Emily Nickolls 29
Sarah Nickolls 7
George Nickolls 5
William Nickolls 2
Abraham Nickolls 3 Mo



George Nichols in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: George Nichols
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 Apr 1836
Baptism Place: Whissonsett, Norfolk, England
Father: William Nichols
Mother: Emily



William Nichols in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: William Nichols
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 2 Nov 1832
Marriage Place: Horningtoft, Norfolk, England
Spouse: Emily Ashwin


William Nichols in the Norfolk, England, Bishop's Transcripts, 1685-1941 (Banns)
Name: William Nichols (Single Man)
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 2 Nov 1832
Marriage Place: Horningtoft, Norfolk, England
Spouse: Emily Ashwin (Single Woman)





PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 24 Jan 2016 08:25

I have been looking at possible marriages for Mabel.

I got quite excited over this one........


Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
NICHOLLS Mabel Basford 7b 329
Swann Thomas Basford 7b 329

The problem is, there is a death for a Mabel Swann in 1918.....


Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
Swann Mabel 33 Basford 7b 364

Age 33.........so that would mean she was born 1885......whereas Mabel was apparently born in 1891.

Still a possibility though.

There was son born to the above marriage......


Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Swann John T Nichols Basford 7b 415

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 23 Jan 2016 19:57

I am out of here for tonight.

My eyes have turned inside out!

:-D

greyghost

greyghost Report 23 Jan 2016 19:11

Probably living near to some of my gang who lived at various addresses on Carlton Hill.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 23 Jan 2016 18:07

Ah!.........Here is Mabel Nicholls in the 1911 census.........

Mabel Nickols in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mabel Nickols
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Carlton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 139 Carlton Hill Carlton
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Pattern Girl
Registration district: Basford

Household Members:


Fredk Wm Tipping 29
Florence Tipping 29
Alfred Charles Tipping 6
Harry Tipping 4
Frederick Tipping 2
Mabel Nickols 20

(Married 6 years.........3 children born and living)


Florence is the daughter of William and Lydia Millington.

(Lydia being the half sister to Frances)

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Millington Florence Nottingham 7b 588
Tipping Frederick William Nottingham 7b 588


Nice to know they all stayed together as a family.


Lets hope that Lisa gets back to us.


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Jan 2016 17:43

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Weasenham
Church name All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 427
Baptism date 19 Sep 1869
Person forename Frances
Father forename George
Father surname NICHOLLS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Sarah

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above, if anything else relating)

Chris :)

greyghost

greyghost Report 23 Jan 2016 15:34

George and Sarah Nichols have moved to Nottinghamshire by 1881 when daughter Frances is with the Meuse's

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Felley, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Nichols Head Married Male 42 1839 Farm Labourer Horningtoft, Norfolk, England
Sarah Nichols Wife Married Female 42 1839 - Norfolk, England
Charles Deaney Boarder Single Male 21 1860 Coal Miner Buckinghamshire, England

and in 1891 have a Meuse grandchild with them

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Derby Road, Felley, Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Nichols Head Married Male 52 1839 Agricultural Labourer Norfolk, England
Sarah Nichols Wife Married Female 52 1839 - Norfolk, England Transcription
Sarah A Mewse Granddaughter - Female 11 1880 - Nottinghamshire, England
Joseph Alladine Boarder Single Male 20 1871 Groom Domestic Selston, Nottinghamshire,

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 23 Jan 2016 15:26

Hi Lisa

Did the DNA test you used follow back on the female side only, or are you assuming that Hilda's father was of Afro Caribbean origin?

Nottingham archives MAY have something of use.

Just maybe, Mabel took out a court order against him, for child support. Or maybe Hilda was taken in as a ward before being placed with the Parkins.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 23 Jan 2016 14:49

Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%)
Dyer Frances 59 Shardlow 7b 861


Frances Dyer in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Frances Dyer
Probate Date: 21 Mar 1929
Registry: Nottingham, England
Death Date: 24 Feb 1929
Death Place: Derbyshire, England

Of 41 Hemlock Avenue, Long Eaton, Derbyshire.

To Henry John Hurley retired engine driver.

Effects: £120 15s 1d

Amen.......Prickles.;o))

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 23 Jan 2016 14:45

Frances's surname has been mis-transcribed as "Degar" on the 1911 census.

She is with the boarder Henry John "Henley?" who was with her in the 1901 census.

Frances Deger in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frances Deger >>>>>Dyer on the image
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Housekeeper
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Weasenham, Nerfock
Civil Parish: Long Eaton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: 41 Hemlock Avenue
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Housekeeper
Registration district: Shardlow

Household Members:

Henry John Henley 49 (Railway Engine Driver)
Frances Deger 41
Vena Blanche Henley 18
Mabel Florence Henley 15
Minnie Maud Henley 14
Reginald Frank Henley 6

The children's births were registered in the name of "Hurley"



PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 23 Jan 2016 14:14

William and Frances had a son who died in infancy.....

William John Dyer in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William John Dyer
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1897
Baptism Place: Long Eaton, Derbyshire, England
Father: William John Dyer
Mother: Frances Dyer


William John Dyer in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: William John Dyer
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Shardlow
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 506


William John Dyer in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: William John Dyer
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Shardlow
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 328


How very sad to lose both your husband and child within a year of marriage. :-(

Off to see if I can find Frances on the 1911 census>>>>>>>>>>>.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 23 Jan 2016 14:03

BINGO!!!! :-D

Frances Nichols in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Frances Nichols
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 26
Birth Date: 1870
Marriage Date: 6 Apr 1896
Marriage Place: Long Eaton, Derbyshire, England
Father: George Nichols
Spouse: William John Dyer


Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Nichols Frances Shardlow 7b 856
Dyer William John Shardlow 7b 856


Frances Dyer in the 1901 England Census
Name: Frances Dyer
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Weasenham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Long Eaton
Ecclesiastical parish: Long Eaton St Lawrence
Town: Long Eaton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district:Stapleford

Household Members:

Frances Dyer 31 (Widow)

Boarders.....
Henry Haney 39 (Married) Railway engine Driver)
Walter Haney 12
Vene Haney 8
Mabel Haney 5



Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
Dyer William John 28 Shardlow 7b 341