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I know Flip not, thanks for posting the new message. Just hoping someone will be able to find this out. I know I started the thread off looking for George Snr but any information about the family is greatly received. Unfortunately I always go off on a tangent, start with one person and then start on another. If we don't ask we'll never know. Thanks again for all your help. Am so pleased about William though am still transferring stuff to my tree on Ancestry and have just uploaded the Naval Record and am about to upload George Snr's birth cert. The quest continues. Out of interest do you have a copy of the 1901 Census where you found a William?

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Kathryn

Yes, I'll download and PM you the image, but I doubt if it is him though.

Hiya, got it, no that William is born in South Norwood, Surrey but thanks anyhow.

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Kathryn

Kathryn,

Please could you tell us what Emily Jane's fathers (William) occupation was on her marriage record....and how old Emily was

Misty x

Hiya, will just check that out and get back to you.

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Kathryn

Hi again, George is given as a Cement Labourer and as before no father's name given. George is given as being 21 and a bachelor, at time of marriage is resident at Balls Square which I assume is in Strood, Kent where they married. Emily Jane is given as being a spinster aged 18 also of Balls Square. Her father William Bradley is given as being a Labourer.

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Kathryn

Hi all, I now have the birth certificate for George James Bryant, one of George Edward Bryant's sons. Still haven't found William's volume and page number although we know he was born in 1888. Anyhow, George James mother is given as Emily Jane Bryant formerly Spicer (this is a new one on me). Have looked for a marriage of Emily and George Edward but as yet not come across it.

If anyone could please have a look and see if they could find this marriage I would be very grateful. Don't think we can go any farther with George James than already has been found.

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Kathryn

I'm confused.

You quote Emily Jane as being 18 on her marriage certificate but then say you can't find a marriage for Emily Jane and George

Hi Mike, I'm confused now. Where did I quote that, can you please refresh my old memory? I didn't think I had a marriage for them.

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Kathryn

From your previous post ...

George is given as being 21 and a bachelor, at time of marriage is resident at Balls Square which I assume is in Strood, Kent where they married. Emily Jane is given as being a spinster aged 18 also of Balls Square

Hi Mike, will have to look into this as I believe this marriage was to an Emily Jane Bradley so possibly not the right marriage. Sorry if I have confused you. I've tried to look at a marriage for George and Emily Spicer and also a marriage for Emily Spicer to someone called Bradley. Am not sure if this Emily is one in the same person hence my looking for information. Apologies if I am sending anyone up the wrong road.

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Kathryn

Probably going over old ground but for my own reference .......

1851
John Weeler Bryant 53
Sarah Bryant 38 - Siittingbourne
Sophia Bryant 8 - Strood<<<<<< George's mother ?
Mary Ann Bryant 6
Harriett Bryant 4
James John Bryant 2
James Fry 29 - brother in law
James Fry 5 - nephew



1861
Sarah Bryant 47 - Sittingbourne, Kent
Sophia Bryant 18 - Strood, Kent <<<<<<<<<< George's mother ?
Harritto Bryant 14
James John Bryant 12
William Geo Bryant 6


DEATH
Sophia Bryant
Estimated birth year:abt 1843
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1871
Age at Death:28
Registration district:North Aylesford
Inferred County:Kent
Volume:2a
Page:235


1871
NO HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD LISTED
Sarah Packman 53 - wife - Sittingbourne, Kent
William Bryant 17 - son
George Bryant 7 - Grandson - Strood, Kent

Sarah a bit ahead of herself as not yet married
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Marriages Sep 1871
BRYANT Sarah - Hoo 2a 637
Packman George - Hoo 2a 637


1881
George Packman 48
Sarah Packman 52 - Sittingbourne, Kent ... (younger now than 10 )years ago !
George F. Bryant 18 - grandson - Strood


1891
George Bryant 28 - Married - Strood
George Bryant 4 - son
William Bryant 3 - son

1901

George Bryant 36 - MARRIED - Strood
Sarah T Howell 33 - Housekeeper - widow
Martha T Howell 12 - dau
John T Howell 10 - son
Dorothy B Howell 8 - dau - - -
Sarah J Howell 7 -dau
Sophia B Howell 5 - dau
Hannett B Howell 2
Gertrude B Howell 6 Months


1911
George Bryant 47 - MARRIED - Strood
Sarah Howell 43 - Housekeeper - widow
Harriett Bryant Howell 12
Grace Bryant Howell 8
Walter Ernest Bryant Howell 4
Edith Maud Bryant Howell 2




so although he maintains he is married on all censuses after 1881, he is not living with Emily Jane

and the fact children bear Bryant as their middle name, they are still Howell, so suggesting he wasn't married to Sarah either.

Morning Mike, sorry, went to bed early last night wasn't feeling too chipper but am okay now. Well, thank god not going completely mad. Have found a John Spicer with wife Matilda and various children in the 1891 Census. They were neighbours of George and his two sons George James and William Bryant. In the 1881 Census they are living elsewhere ie John and Matilda but have a daughter Emily Jane Spicer who is given as 11 years old so being born around 1870. Haven't found a marriage and perhaps they didn't marry but also haven't found a death for an Emily Jane Spicer. We're getting there. Sorry for all the confusion.

Am off to work now and am not allowed to go on the Web at work so will be back on here this evening.

Thanks again for all your help and time spent.

Kind regards

Kathryn