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nuttybongo
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27 Apr 2014 21:12 |
Lovely, thank you, will have a look :-)
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JoonieCloonie
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27 Apr 2014 20:42 |
no such thing as free Scottish look-ups for that period :-)
(not that I know of!)
scotlandspeople is by buying credits but they are cheap
you can search there yourself, you just have to buy credits to see detailed search results
for instance to see parents' names you have to spend 1 credit to see the detailed search results then you can spend a bit more to see the actual image
I did a quick search
1902-1906 there were 15 John Dixon births
but no John William Dixon
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nuttybongo
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27 Apr 2014 19:13 |
Hi there folks, does anyone have free Scottish look ups. Can some one have a look for John William Dixon born 1904 ish and father Arthur James Dixon (chef) please, just a thought from a family member. thanks :-D forgot to say please, oops
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nuttybongo
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20 Apr 2014 21:11 |
Hi there,
Thank you for all your help, I will have to chew over this information carefully, I'm afraid as to living relatives, no one knows anymore, indeed they didn't know about John William, so thank you all, I will have a great look soon. Thank you :-D
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JoonieCloonie
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20 Apr 2014 20:21 |
If JWD was indeed 26 when he married on 13 Jan 1930, then the very strong odds are that he was born in 1903 and had not yet had his 27th birthday in 1930, but he could have been born in the first two weeks of January ...
if he was born in late 1903 his birth might have been registered in 1st quarter 1904
so these are the available births
if he was born after census date he would appear as born est. 1904 in 1911 so I have added the 1911 census info for each one
Births Mar 1903 Dixon John William Tynemouth 10b 309 (poss died Sep 1904 Tynemouth aged 0?)
Births Jun 1903 DIXON John William Sunderland 10a 832 - with parents John William and Alice Jane in Southwick Durham
Births Jun 1903 DIXON John William Driffield 9d 371 (died Dec 1905 Driffield aged 2)
Births Sep 1903 Dixon John William Lanchester 10a 368 (died Sep 1903 Lanchester aged 0)
Births Dec 1903 Dixon John William Sculcoates 9d 232 - probably with parents Abraham and Edith in Sculcoates (shown as born Hull)
Births Mar 1904 Dixon John William St. Olave 1d 262 - with parents Frederick and Sarah in Bermondsey (shown as born London)
so anyway it seems that all the John William Dixons born within the time to match the stated age in 1930 are accounted for
another possibility is that he minimized his age in 1930 given that the bride was 17 (and the marriage having apparently been necessary) - her parents being present and witnesses indicates that parental conent was given
there was only one other birth to the Dixon-Drury marriage, approx a year after the first ... this is somewhat unusual and one wonders whether this was the family rift ... early estrangement between the spouses
maybe your friend can offer a little more information, like whether she ever knew either grandparent, or her parent's sibling ... is the sibling possibly still living?
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JoonieCloonie
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20 Apr 2014 19:42 |
wondering whether we have one of the classic scenarios here
Dixon was JW's mother's name and he was registered in that name Arthur James was his father or his stepfather but was not a Dixon
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Dixon was JW's father's surname but his parents were not married and his birth was registered in his mother's surname and he later adopted his father's surname
or
JW was registered in his mother's (or father's) surname but his mother later married or partnered with a Mr Dixon and he adopted his stepfather's surname
for instance, I considered this possible marriage that could have given JW Dixon a stepfather Arthur J
Marriages Jun 1911 Atkin Susan A Horncastle 7a 1470 Curtis Michael L Horncastle 7a 1470 ? Dixon Ada Horncastle 7a 1470 ? Marshall Arthur J Horncastle 7a 1470
but for that one, Dixon married Curtis (births afterward in Horncastle)
and there isn't another Dixon + Arthur J marriage in the Lincolnshire vicinity 1900-1920
but then ... John William could have been born anywhere ...
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JoonieCloonie
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20 Apr 2014 19:17 |
nuttybongo maybe you would post the actual details and maybe links? that is a little vague for anyone to know what it's about ... found births/baptisms, found them in a census, in a family tree ... ?
... okay 1911 census in Chester le Street
James Dixon 41 born Belfast, coal miner, deputy overman below ground Margaret Jane Dixon 38 born Durham Jessie Skeen Dixon 17 stepdaughter John William Dixon 8 son Hamilton Dixon 7 James Dixon 4 Robert Hall Dixon 3 Thomas E Dixon 10/12 William Flowers 80
Marriages Jun 1898 Dixon James Chester Le Street 10a 834 Skeen Margaret Jane Chester le S. 10a 834
looks a little remote :-)
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nuttybongo
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20 Apr 2014 18:26 |
I have found one possibility, that Arthur James could have been born and married in Belfast, I have found one as a James dixon and John William in the family, right age, just a thought :-)
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JoonieCloonie
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20 Apr 2014 00:07 |
unfortunately the 1911 shows my guess, John William Bray Dixon as son of John Willam Dixon, a postman
John William Dixon 28 Lily Ann Dixon 31 John William Bray Dixon 5 Ivis Lily Dixon 3 45 Haven Avenue Gt Grimsby Lincs
so Sheila's excellent information rules him out :-)
but I don't see any match for our JWD and his father in 1911 ...
there is no Arthur James Dixon marriage in Lincolnshire ever
and the ones there are in the 1911 don't have a son named John William
there may be things not adding up
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Sheila
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19 Apr 2014 23:30 |
Hi again
John William Dixon lived at 485 Grimsby Road Cleethorpes
Sylvia Beatrice Drury lived at 183 Columbia Road Grimsby
Wits Albert Victor Drury and Beatrice Alice Drury I have their marriage if you need it.
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nuttybongo
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19 Apr 2014 22:52 |
Hi Sheila,
I would very much love any information you have please, that would be fantastic, thank you :-)
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Sheila
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19 Apr 2014 22:25 |
From Church Records
Old Clee Church Grimsby 13/01/1930
John William Dixon age 26 a plumber father Arthur James a chef
Sylvia Beatrice Drury age 17
father a cooper.
If you would like their address's and the witness's just let me know
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nuttybongo
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18 Apr 2014 20:25 |
Brilliant thank you, will keep this information should I need it, thank you folks :-D
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patchem
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18 Apr 2014 08:33 |
If it is that birth that JoonieCloonie posted, then the B is Bray, which could give clues as to his ancestry - but marriage certificate needed.
1911 England Census John William Bray Dixon Age in 1911: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1906 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Great Grimsby County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address: 45 Haven Avenue Gt Grimsby Lincs Occupation: School Registration district: Grimsby Registration District Number: 422 Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 19950 John William Dixon 28 Market Stainton postman Lily Ann Dixon 31 John William Bray Dixon 5 Ivis Lily Dixon 3 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 19950.
Added: ? Marriages Jun 1905 BRAY Lily Ann Louth 7a 1577 DIXON John William Louth 7a 1577
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JoonieCloonie
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18 Apr 2014 04:19 |
the only likely looking candidate seems to be this one
Name: John William B Dixon Birth Date: 1 Jan 1906 Date of Registration: Jun 1983 Age at Death: 77 Registration district: Grimsby Inferred County: Humberside Volume: 7 Page: 0537
Births Mar 1906 Dixon John William B Grimsby 7a 610
since that is the only JWD death in Grimsby with about the right age
and that is the birth to match (and the only JWD birth in Grimsby)
that's just a prediction though, unfortunately not worth following back without the marriage certificate!
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nuttybongo
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17 Apr 2014 21:19 |
Thank you for your help everyone, think the cert is maybe the only way to go, seems the female side is a lot easier on this one, and it's usually the hardest due to change of names, but alas no. Oops, thanks :-D
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Mike *
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17 Apr 2014 21:16 |
Looks like you will need the marriage cert for John's age and father's name and occupation
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patchem
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17 Apr 2014 21:16 |
Possibility for death of Sylvia: Sylvia Beatrice Dixon Birth Date: 23 Apr 1912 Date of Registration: May 2005 Age at Death: 93 Registration district: North east Lincolnshire Inferred County: Lincolnshire Register Number: A62C District and Subdistrict: 548/1A Entry Number: 56
and her birth; Births Jun 1912 Drury Beatrice S Vear Grimsby 7a 1260
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Mike *
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17 Apr 2014 21:14 |
From someone's tree so would need checking ...
Sylvia Beatrice Drury Birth 23 Apr 1912 in Grimsby, Lincolnshire Death May 2005 in North East Lincolnshire
Parents Albert Victor Drury 1886 – 1960 Beatrice Alice Vear 1884 – 1964
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Mike *
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17 Apr 2014 21:11 |
Marriages Mar 1930
Dixon John W - Drury - Grimsby 7a 996 Drury Sylvia B - Dixon- Grimsby 7a 996
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