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Hi Mel,

I think Ann has something here.

You say your Aunty Emm is on the 1911 - what is her year of birth please?

It looks like the first Emma is one of the children you are looking for who died.

Your Emma is 12 on 1901 census suggesting a birth date of c 1889 which would fit with the second christening.

It was VERY usual at the time to name a child after a dead sibling, particularly if they had been given a traditional 'family' christian name which they wanted to carry through!

Dea x

P.S. - Yes! - I have found her again on 1911 with the family. Birth year c 1888!

She is certainly the second christening of an Emma to this family.

Dea x

Hi Mel

this Emma I found is the older than your grandfather bvorn 1888 dont understand what you are saying. Do you think this one is not the same as on the 1901 census?

there was a emma born 1883 but she died in 1883 child of James and Eliza

so they could have named a second child Emma after the first one
Ann

Hi Mel

thats really strange ti have two James and Eliza with a occupation tin plate worker and baptist at the same church as the other one st Michael and all sainds Hackney. The address looked the same as for Eliza but could not understand the no of the house.

I have checked this again

also the death for a Emma bethnal green around the time the first Emma was born


Ann

Thank you Ann but Aunty Emm was the eldest sister of my grandfather and she is on the 1911 census unmarried.

Hi

I have found another emma Beech born 27/5/1888 (which ties up with 1901 census) baptised 17/6/1888 St Michael and all saints Hackney living fortescue avenue father tin plate worker

could not find any other than what Dea found

found death for Emma born 11/10/1883 died oct nov dec age 0 bethnal green

Ann

Dea you are a real treasure. Yes they are all mine.

i was hoping that a couple of thier children lived long enough to be baptised but don't think I shall ever find the missing two.

I have to go up and get prescription soon so shall be off for a while.

BBL Mel

These are the only ones I can see at the moment - I will look for the others later:

Emma Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 4 Nov 1883
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's Name: Eliza Beech
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Born 14th October, 1883
14 Royston St.
James is a Tin Plate Worker.

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Eliza Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Sep 1886
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's Name: Eliza Beech
Parish: St Michael and All Angels
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

Born 16th August, 1886.
30, Fortescue Ave.,
James = Tin Plate Worker

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William Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 20 Apr 1890
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's Name: Eliza Beech
Parish: St Michael and All Angels
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

Born March 29th 18909
57, Havelock Road, Wells, Street
James = Tinplate Worker

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Caroline Matilda Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 31 Jan 1892
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's Name: Eliza Beech
Parish: St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

No dob.
15 Well St.
James = Tinplate worker

..........................

Henry Joseph Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Jul 1893
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's Name: Eliza Beech
Parish: St Michael and All Angels
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

Born June 17th, 1893
15 Well Street
James is a Lamp Maker.

Dea x

James with his parents.

1881 England Census
about James Beech
Name: James Beech
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 57 North St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Tin Plate Worker

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Beech 50
Caroline Beech 49
George Beech 26
Elizabeth Beech 23
Samuel Beech 20
James Beech 18
John Beech 14
Florence Beech 6

RG11; Piece: 312; Folio: 97; Page: 42

This is the family.

1901 England Census
about James Beech
Name: James Beech
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil parish: Walthamstow
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: 847 Forest Rd, Walthamstow, E 17.

Occupation: Tin Plate Worker Employer.


Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
James Beech 38
Eliza Beech 36
James Beech 16
Emma Beech 12
William Beech 11
Henry J Beech 7
Caroline Beech 9
Margaret Beech 5
Richard Beech 3

RG13; Piece: 1630; Folio: 58; Page: 4

My Eliza JAS.

Name: Eliza Beech
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 615

Father James Beech is a Tinplate Worker and later had his business from home. He made coachlamps and Railway lamps.

Such a lovely quick response from you lovely lots as usual. Thank you all.

This is the only other one I can see with those parents' names:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Louisa Elizabeth Beech
Name: Louisa Elizabeth Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 15 Nov 1885
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mary Ann Beech
Parish: St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

address this time is 69 Palace Rd. and James is a Bootmaker ??

It this the correct family?

Dea x

Thanks Dee I don't think he is one of my direct Beech's. It is just this family I need as it is mums grandparents.

These are the ones I wish to know the dates of on the London Births, and Baptisms 1816 - 1906 Emma Beech info date James Beech,
Eliza Beech info city


Eliza Beech info date James Beech,
Eliza Beech info city


Elizabeth Beech info date James Beech,
Eliza Beech info city


Emma Beech info date James Beech,
Eliza Beech info city


William Beech info date James Beech,
Eliza Beech

The address at time of George's baptism was 14 Gt. Cambridge Street and the father' s occupation was 'Operator'

Does this help?

Dea x

Thanks I don't think he could be one of mine then.

AOGG That 1881 census you put up for a Jmaes his birth woudld have been about 1822. Not one I am looking for and probably brother to my 2 x ggrandfather. It is just the baps of James Beech's children I need thank you.

I go back to William Beech 1747 with this line.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about George James Beech
Name: George James Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Jan 1878
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mary Ann Beech
Parish: St Matthias, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex


Address 14 Great Cambridge Street

Andy

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about George James Beech
Name: George James Beech
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Jan 1878
Father's Name: James Beech
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mary Ann Beech
Parish: St Matthias, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

1881 - connection?

James L. BEECH Head M Male 58 Beth Green, Middlesex, England Genl Labourer
Ann BEECH Wife M Female 57 Beth Green, Middlesex, England
Alice BEECH Daur Female 17 Beth Green, Middlesex, England
Florence L. BEECH Daur Female 15 Hackney, Middlesex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 11 Amity Rd
Census Place West Ham, Essex, England
Family History Library Film 1341411
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1720 / 64
Page Number 52

My great grandfather was James Beech 1863 Bethnal Green. He married Eliza Goff in 1883.

On the 1911 census it says they had 10 children 7 of which were living. Six of which were with them on the 1911. James junior was not there or William 1890.

I need to know the baptism of George James Beech with Parents Elizabeth Mary and James Beech as I don't have the sub to look this up.

James 1863 father and mother were George Beech and Caroline Thompson. James and Eliza had a dau Caroline but no living George that I have found. The first child from this union that I know of was James Beech 1885.


Other children of this couple are

James 1885 Bethnal Green London Middx

Eliza 1886 Hackney Middx

Emma 1883 Hackney Middx

William 1890 Hackney Middx

Caroline 1892 Hackney Middx

Joseph Henry 1894 Hackney Middx

Margaret 1896 Hackney Middx

Richard (my grandfather) 1897 Hackney Middx

I can see some of the baptisms on Ancestry but can't look at them as I don't have the sub.

So I have 8 out of ten children born to this couple.

I do realize that if a child was born dead there was no birth cert. only if it drew breath.

James Beech was either a Tin Plate Worker or a Lamp Maker for the Railway.

Thanking all you helpers that give your precious time to others.

Mel