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Whoops Rose,
Just got on.
My illegitimate Maud born in Grimsby was a Baggott.
Ironically, her mother (my g grandmother) left Maud with her parents in Suffolk and ended up in Boscombe at the Chine Hotel, where she met my g grandfather, originally from London......
They then went on to have 9 illegitimate children, as he was already married, but had left his wife in London!!

maggie

today we went for a run out to scawby hall gardens. We went to look at the lavender maze and the lovely gardens there. Hubby is not the least bit interested in family history. Any way he was fascinated by the size of what used to be the servants quarters and I have since googled and found the family name associated with the Hall. Several people on here have the name in their tree and I have messaged some of them but I have now put messages on the boards so if anybody wants to see the pictures I took they can find me.

How disappointed he looked!!!

How sad, he couldn't appreciate that his family have made him what he is. At the end he came across as pompous!

People nowadays, seem disappointed or even ashamed of being from a hardworking English background...always wanting a bit of Irish, Scottish or Welsh....or something further afield. We need to be proud of who we are...this is what all this is about.

TJ

Deanna

pmsl
*whispers* been in beore but nothing fitted LOL LOL

Yes Shelli, but we will know what you are there for!!

Be honest girl, take a walk around Ann Summers....
We won't think less of you!!

Little Lost

I'd be discreet and stand outsire HMV or Carphone warehouse LOL

Presume no one is interested LOL

I feel the same way as you Laura, I am proud of the hard working and kindly people who were my direct ancestors......there was always a rumour by my Great Uncle who I knew , of the Crawford Millions.....I have found the reason for this, but the David and Ann are shown as weavers, and if they had owned Mills in Ayrshire and designed the Paisley pattern, as was suggested, then it is the quickest story of riches to rags I have known....lol...

I have just come home from holiday and watched the two programmes I had taped.....the Natasha Kaplinski one was very upsetting......and I enjoyed the yarn spun by John Hurt's Great Grandfather.....if he wasn't Irish, then he must have kissed the Blarney Stone......I was taken in by the story because when they showed the Earl?? of Sligo's father he was the spitting image of Emma .... but in the end there was no connection...

There was always a tale of an Irish granny but when I found her she was Scottish born.....but going back to her parents....found that both of them had come over from Ireland to Scotland....one from Leitrim and one from Co. Tyrone.....I was so pleased to know that I had Irish ancestry as well as Scottish and N. Ireland.....and I can perhaps understand why John Hurt was disappointed when he found out that his Irish roots were unfounded....

I think it is very sad that he will probably never be able to appreciate his true ancestors for who they were, because their stories won't live up to the ones created by Walter Lord Browne. there are no royals or aristocrats in my tree, but finding out about my ancestors has given me a real sense of who i am. sadly for John, he has discovered he really isn't who he thought he was. i hope one day he can get over that and enjoy discovering his family history in the same way that most of us do. :o)

Oh my I now have visions of Shelli standing outside an Ann Summers shop taking photos. Whatever would the passer by think??? lol

Thank you for that Keith. I did not know that you could do that if you missed a programme.
nice to know. And thanks Shelli for printing it for us.

We have just watched this, I taped it last nioght.
I did feel a bit sorry for him at first. Then he became a bit upset, and I thought why go into it with such fixed views?

I think we are a bit more *humble*, don't you?

I looked for nothing and was so excited with what I found.

I have one ancestor who .... kept a mangle!! so there! ;-0)

And my Gt.Gt.Gt Grandfather, was a hawker of 'scouring stone'....

I come from a long line of ENTREPENEURS................... so what do think of that then??? ;-0)

Deanna X

Julie

Keith posted this dunno if it helps you.....

14/09/2007 09:06:17
If you live in the UK, you can download BBC programmes up to 7 days after broadcast and then get about 28 days to view.

If you search the BBC site for iplayer and follow instructions.

Keith

Does anyone know if it's repeated as i couldn't watch it

Many thanks Julie

well if anyone wants photos of the Ann summers shop I can get that!!!!!!!!!

And I want to know more about the Staffords, as we have a big road here named after them maybe??????

I enjoyed it. It reminded me of my f-i-l "my grandfather was Irish, born in Waterford or Cork" .... well I have traced back to 3 x gt grandfather now and he was born in Andover :-)) Also mum's aunt told me that her paternal grandmother was from Bury St Edmunds ... nope ... her maternal grandfather died there!!

I think the show was a good lesson to new researchers - don't follow the family story straight away - ask rellies first (think of all the time and effort saved if he had gone to his cousin first!) - then get certs and census info. THEN you can see where the grains of truth in the family story are.

Maz. XX

The majority of us have dreams about what our ancestors may have been but it doesn't take long for the family stories to be a found little 'twisted'. John Hurt F H is no different than what most of us see and this programme was only broadcast because he is a 'celebrity'. I guess he would have better audience if he were in the other "Much Ado About Nothing".

Thank you for that Keith, will take a look and see

Hate missing this programme

xxLynnxx

If you live in the UK, you can download BBC programmes up to 7 days after broadcast and then get about 28 days to view.

If you search the BBC site for iplayer and follow instructions.

Keith

I felt really sorry for him--I'm trying to solve the legend of my "cherokee" gt gt gran--the only thing is I don't believe the blarny much so if I can prove it it will be good, but if it's tosh my suspicions will be villified! I think John just so wanted to have the Irish in him that he'd, in a way closed his mind to the possibility of it being a story.
Besides, Irish family history is so difficult to trace as well, speaking for the 1/2 Irish side of me!!
Carol

I imagine Edward Stafford was Emma's stepfather, married her mother after she was born/conceived. They did not seem interested in researching the family members they did find- only in proving this link with Sligo. I would have looked into the parents Emma & Edward Stafford, and also who got more info on who the 'real' father was, I imagine John's cousin knew more about him as she had the photo of him. His g-grandmother obviously knew about him being her father- how else did she come to marry her cousin? There must have been contact with him. Personally that would have interested me more than proving some imagined link to aristocracy. I think he was more shattered about losing his claim to grandeur than his Irish connection.

there is also an archive centre in Grimsby only open certain days and times and you have to book so not been there either yet as my lot dont really come from around that area. I do have a connection with Louth though