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Hi Surely the relatives of the young mother and child will have seen the papers showing the young killers and sure enough truth will come out they will put two and two togther we all have an individual identyity but there is always a likeness to one or the other parent if not both. These two boys should have had the snip done as part of their punishment it is after all a small price to pay for taking the life of a young child. Wendy

I think it's extremely naive of anyone to believe that 'experts' in any field are infallible. There have been enough high-profile people exposed as rogues in recent years, as well as many instances of child abuse/negligence/cruelty going undetected by those supposedly in authority. I believe that the killers of Jamie Bulger should be closely monitored for the rest of their lives. Yes, they have served their sentences, but those ten-year-olds were hardly what could be termed 'innocents' when they committed the crime, and subsequently in custody both proved to have disturbed minds. They KNEW what they were doing when they tortured and murdered little Jamie. Sadly, what they did NOT know was WHY it was wrong, and not knowing why, they didn't care. I'm a firm believer that if you allow children to 'get away with' enough petty bad behaviour and minor misdemeanours, they will push the boundaries further and try worse behaviour to see if they can get away with that too. Ultimately, if they see there are no sanctions, they will come to realise they can do pretty much what they like and no-one will stop them, however 'bad', anti-social or evil they become. It's only when they go so far as to commit a serious crime (and get found out) that they will have to face the consequences of their actions. I think the demise of a sense of social and moral justice being instilled into the young is a very backward step for society as a whole, but unfortunately things have gone too far now, and greed, selfishness and cruelty are not stamped out as they once were by parents, teachers, religious leaders or other authority figures. Children's minds are blank canvases to a large extent, and what is painted on them by their early life experiences forms their characters. If what is painted isn't pretty, the consequences ain't likely to be pretty either. I sincerely hope both boys ARE rehabilitated, but time and their own behaviour will tell, not the opinions of 'experts'. CB >|<

What paper was this in?? I have checked all the teletext and news channels and not a mention. I thought this would have been all over the media by now. Also do spare a thought for James Bulger's family. Who knows they might even be on here tracing their family and would find this news most upsetting. Deepest sympathy for all those involved GLoria

I saw a small snippet in the Sun. so should imagine it is the tabloids that are carrying the story. Germaine x

I think its sad that this poor girl doesn't have a clue who she is with!! I would like to think that the 10 year olds that committed this dreadful crime are now adult enough to know that they did something very wrong, even if they didn't know back then. I know I am different from when i was their age. Plus if no-one knows who they are, how on earth can anyone prove that he has just become a parent? My thoughts are with Jamie's family and I hope they aren't too hurt by all this!!

Those boys shouldn't have the right to draw breath, let alone have children of their own. They should be rotting in a jail somewhere, or better still, be in hell. I feel very strongly about this sort of thing (forgive me if i offend) but poor Jamie will never know the simple things in life, learning to ride a bike, first day of school...etc, them monsters stole it from him, they told classmates they were going to commit a murder and they did. they knew what they were doing. A life for a life in my eyes. and for them to have kids of there own with a secret identity? The mother of the child has the right to know. we all have the right to know, to protect our children. I also have a friend, who walks on the wrong side of the law. He is currently serving 25 years for attempted murder. he was one of the biggest drug dealiers in Bradford, he raped a woman and beat her boyfriend before setting him on fire in the middle of Bradford and leaving him for dead... He was such a great guy, but nothing will change what he has done...he should stay in prison for life. xxx

He's the bit THE mother of murdered toddler James Bulger has spoken of her horror at the revelation that one of the tot’s killers has become a dad. Robert Thompson, 23, fathered the baby after romancing a girlfriend under an assumed name, it was claimed yesterday. Thompson — along with Jon Venables — was convicted of the torture and killing of James, two, in 1993 but was released aged 18 with a new identity. He was moved to a town in northern England where he met the unidentified girl. It was reported that shortly after the birth Thompson and the girl split up, though he is still in regular contact with his baby. James’s mum Denise, 36, said: “If he can’t be allowed to work with children officially under the terms of his parole then he should not be allowed to lie about who he really is to have a child. Obviously not a new born then! P

I agree totally with Lynda. What amazes me about all this is the newspapers constant search for these type of stories and all the scaremongering they cause, that is not really the role of Newspapers but of course I do not consider the Sun a newspaper. We are not supposed to be just punishing the perpertrators of such crimes but we are supposed to rehabilitate criminals that's the system as is, so that being the case then these now men have served their time. I am convinced the Authorities know exactly what's happening in their lives & they will always be closely monitored. My thoughts go to Jamie Bulger's family I blame the rag papers again for dishing this up with no thought obviously for the Victims family. Gay Rights obviously was brought on here because someone is Homophobic, use any platform to express it, how sad. Pat x

Seen previous note - it was obviously Jamie's Mum that reported it to the paper P

From what I have read its in the North East up here somewhere so suppose might have been in Northern edition papers;; but I for one would be very worried if my daughter or granddaughter had just had a child in the last few months about who the father is;; I do not believe in the anonymity clause for anyone more so killers ect that are costing us millions, when some disabled people carnt have the likes of electric wheelchairs ect without paying for them, or a pensioner having to pay for a home help;; Babs

It is in the Daily Mail today. He is in the N East somewhere. he is separated from the Mother of the child but still in contact with the child. The Mother does not know about him. SS are involved but their hands are tied because of the anonymity and the fact the Mother doesn't know. I think the D Mail lifted it from the Sunday Mirror. Ann Glos

I too think that this lowlife and his pal should have been given the snip as part of their rehab. conditions - it appals me that this person was able to reproduce, who knows how many children they will have with how many unknowing women? And all will end up being kept by the state. I do not agree with David Owen when he says that whilst he doesn't know if people are ready to be rehabiliated, the courts do. NO THEY DON'T. There are several people who have convinced the powers that be that they are reformed characters, and then gone ahead and murdered or raped again. LIfe should mean life in all cases. GOd forbid anyone should harm my son but if I saw them out and about again 12 years for example after serving a so called Life sentence I would want to take the law into my own hands. Bring back real justice before it is too late.

If any of this that was in the papers is true, let me assure you that this child will be closely watched by health visitors and social services. This is an incident that happened a few years ago at my work.16yr old girl and 24yr old boyfriend came to stay,she was pregnant,he was so loving towards her ,really looked after her it was a pleasure to see , they were so excited about the baby,he kept showing me all the bay clothes etc they had got ready, they were with me for several months, she went into hospital where she had a c section to deliver the baby boy, they came back to the centre with the baby, the girl was so distressed. Soon after her op to deliver the baby,social services were at her bedside telling her she must sign a form saying she would have no contact with the father of her child only on supervised visits and if she didn't sign they would remove the baby there and then. a social worker came to me to discuss the situation. i had to ask the father to leave, and i signed an agreement that i would inform them should he ever be found at the centre unsupervised .i agreed to do these supervised visits until they found someone to do them.It was the most heartbreaking situations i had encountered.Now for the the reason this came about, 5years earlier he had been in another relationship and had a child, the child was taken into hospital at 8 weeks old , it was thought to be fitting, it was found that the child had been serverely shaken, the result of this at the age of 4 the child was brain damaged, blind and deaf, could not walk, sit up. it could not be proved which parent was responsible, so the consquences for both were this, when the mother of this child had another child it was taken from her at birth, I had to attend a meeting with s services with solicitors etc I could only tel them what i had witnessed during the their 6 months stay with me, that he appeared to be a very caring loving person, and that when he was with the baby he was a very loving parent. but he was only allowed to see the child once a week at the local family centre. by this time mum and baby had been rehoused. a few weeks later mum arrived at my work in a very destressed state, saying social services had caught her partner at the flat and she had got to go to social services that afternoon to find out what they were going to do.when i asked her why on earth had she risked breaking the agreement, she said she had run out of nappies and had no money so she had phoned him . That afternoon the child was taken into care. mum then was allowed to have partner stay with her as baby was no longer there. she went completely to peices, ended up on drugs,which progressed to hard drugs. then they went away . so i will never know their fate. So you see these people will be watched, i have no doubt about that.But in this case 4 people hvae been punished for the actions of one. Shirley Ann.

Shirley - that was such a sad situation. How will that little one feel when later it tries to trace its real parents and finds out what happened? I would never want to leave a child at any risk but surely some way could have been found to deal with that situation more sympathetically. How you can do your job I don't know - seeing such heartache would finish me, I wouldn't be able to cope. You are a remarkable woman.

Nudge for butterfly. xxhugxx