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I agree, Kucinta, I jumped the gun on that one. Will delete it so as not to cause confusion.

Given the name of John's mother in law, Mary Ramshaw, in the 1881 census, I would propose this potential marriage from FreeBMD instead of the one Margaret suggested. Remember the 1881 census showed John to have been born in Newcastle upon Tyne.

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Dec 1874
Hill John Newcastle T. 10b 152<<<<<<<<<<<
Pape Isabella Stephenson Newcastle T. 10b 152
Ramshaw Ellen Newcastle T. 10b 152 <<<<<<<<<<<
Usher John Newcastle T. 10b 152

EDIT: A search at the GRO site would seem to confirm this maiden name of Ramshaw for Ralph's mother:

HILL, RALPH RAMSHAW <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 157

(as Margaret said, Tynemouth R D covers Willington Quay, where the census says Ralph was born)

So it looks like Ralph's mother is Ellen Ramshaw, who according to the 1881 census, was born c1850 Howdon Northumberland, or in the 1891 census Howdon Pans Northumberland.

This gives you more information to search for John and Ellen in their youth, with their parents, siblings etc.

have run out of lunch hour, so bye for now! :-)

Another transcript of the 1891 census Margaret posted, showing that John Hill was a blacksmith, so it looks likely Margaret has found the right family. I used FMP aka FIndMyPast , a subscription site, to find this census information.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Boundry Street, Wallsend, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

John Hill Head Married Male 48 1843 Blacksmith Northumberland, England <<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen Hill Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Howdon Pans, Northumberland, England
Elizabeth Hill Daughter Single Female 14 1877 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
John Hill Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Robert Hill Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Ralph Hill Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England <<<
Eleanor Hill Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Tom Hill Son - Male 4 1887 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Mary A Hill Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England


The 1881 census for the same family gives John's birthplace as newcastle on Tyne, c1843.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
54, Nelson Street, Wallsend, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

John Hill Head Married Male 38 1843 Engine Smith Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England <<<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen Hill Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Howdon, Northumberland, England<<<<
Elizabeth Hill Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
John Hill Son Single Male 2 1879 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Robert Hill Son Single Male 0 1881 - Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Mary Ramshaw Mother In Law Widow Female 66 1815 - Walker, Northumberland, England<<<<<<<<<<<

Ralph Hill

in the 1891 England Census
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Name: Ralph Hill
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Hill
Mother's name: Ellen Hill
Gender: Male
Where born: Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Willington Quay
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4222
Folio: 48
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hill 48
Ellen Hill 41
Elizabeth Hill 14
John Hill 12
Robert Hill 10
Ralph Hill 8
Elleanor Hill 6
Tom Hill 4
Mary A Hill 1/12

Ralph Hill

in the 1901 England Census
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Name: Ralph Hill
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Mother: Ellen R Hill
Birth Place: Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Willington
Search Photos: Search for 'Willington' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Willington Quay
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4798
Folio: 65
Page Number: 9
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen R Hill 51, widow
John Hill 22
Robert Hill 20
Ralph Hill 18
Eleanor Hill 16
Thomas Hill 14
Mary A R Hill 10
John W Hill 5, grandson

All born Willington Quay except mother born Howdon, Northumberland.

Ralph Hill

in the 1911 England Census
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Name: Ralph Hill
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Willington Quay, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Wallsend
Search Photos: Search for 'Wallsend' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 58 Palmers Terrace
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Tynemouth
Registration District Number: 559
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 30729
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Hill 28, born Willington Quay, Northumberland
Martha Hill 28. born S. Shields, Durham, married 9 years, 5 children born, 2 had died
Isabella E Hill 9, born Willington Quay
Thomas Hill 4, born N. Shields, Northumberland
Ralph Hill Under 1/12, born Willington Quay
Margaret A Adamson 43, sister-in-law, married, born Howdon, Northumbrtland

Thank you you all so kind.My grandad was Ralph Hill 1911-1997 he married Mary Stonehouse in Borehamwood hertfordshire.my nan comes from Sunderland and my granda comes from Newcastle most of his family was born inwillingtonn quad Northumberland.Sometimes it says Durham south shields. My granda dad was also called Ralph Hill 1883-1936 He married Martha Jobling (born 15th March 1888) on 4th June 1901 St Paul's church, Jarrow, County Durham.Ralph Hill dad was John William Hill he was a blacksmith,Ralph hills marriage certificate say's he lived at 65,Markton Terrace if I've read it right. Also I have just played £11 something to access Parish records ,Where do I find the Parish records ? Can someone direct me in the right place please.I am very greatful for any help you can give me. I think I need a lesson in how to use the site.
Thank you again.
Julie

HI Julie,

if you have your great great grandads's name and possibly occupation from the marriage cert, and your great grandad's name, approximate birth year and location, you or helpers on the board (if you post the details), can use the information to look for them together on online censuses for instance, to get more details for your great great grandparents, as well as looking on sites, free or otherwise, for parish records etc.

As others have said, we'd love to help if you have some details, or if you get stuck after searching yourself on the free sites mentioned in the thread. :-)

If you want any help in locating info then some names ,area and approx years would help the search

Thank you Rollo
My mistake
https://familysearch.org
Is also a free site.

Http://Www.freebmd.org.uk

Hi Julie
If you give us their names and bith years, also your Granddads
birth year, I'm sure we could point you in the right direction.
Have you searched the GRO records ?

Http://Www.freebmd.org.uk
Ann

Hi,
I'm new to this and i was wondering if someone could tell me how i find my great great grand parents or how i would get a copy of there marriage certificate.I know his name and where he lived from my great grandads marriage certificate but thats about all they come from up north Newcastle./ Sunderland. Any info would be of a great help.
Thank you in advance'
Kind Regards
Julie Thorpe.