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In the Old Testament researchers, some devout, have found an alpha numeric code.

Many present day occurrences of note have been deciphered, some political assassinations have been found with names, places, dates.

Remarkable as written some 4000 years ago.

Examples please.

EDIT

Is it the code described here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code
and here
http://skepdic.com/bibcode.html

Genesis and Exodus  contains a code spelling TORAH at equidistance's. The same applies in Numbers and Deuteronomy, but it reverse.
Both pointing to the third centre book, Leviticus.
A different number equidistant sequence in Leviticus spells YHWH
Chance ?

Given how often the text has changed since it was first written it's hardly credible.

I would say not credible, but loved by those who like conspiracy theories of any kind .................

the text has changed many times throughout the centuries, as Guinevere said, but also the original text was written down from oral histories that went back centuries before that

and we all know how accurate oral histories can be!

The oral histories used in the bible are much the same as the oral histories of the various First Nations around the world ................ a certain amount of truth explained in a way that was understandable to the uneducated members of the 'tribe".

Hence God made the world in 6 days and rested the seventh .................

change "days" to "eons" and you reach something of the truth, but stated in a way that an uneducated person would understand. They would know the span of a "day", but even "a century" would be beyond belief.

Apparently using similar techniques, Moby Dick predicts the assassination of Indira Ghandi, Martin Luther King, JFK and the death of Princess Diana.

The several translations of the NT do show modifications down the years.
However the OT is the Jewish history and they are extremely strict on their scripture being transcribed as the originals.

It is in the OT that these "codes" have been found.

I came across this subject on Y**Tube and at first thought it was to sell some new book. Not so, although new books have been written on the findings..

"However the OT is the Jewish history and they are extremely strict on their scripture being transcribed as the originals."

The originals have been lost for 2,000 years. They have been transcribed, translated, retranscribed and retranslated.

Also, remember that the "originals" were written down over a time span of about 1000 years. At what point did the codes appear as presumably they couldn't have been part of the oral history that came before any written text?

Could it be a case of researchers finding what they want to be there i.e. fitting the facts to the theory?

"Could it be a case of researchers finding what they want to be there i.e. fitting the facts to the theory?"



Of course it is!!


Another good old conspiracy theory.


Along the same lines ................

I knew a man back in the 1970s/80s who had been a researcher in the tobacco industry before moving to a university.

This was at the time when there was still a lot of controversy about whether smoking was bad for you.

While working for the tobacco industry, he had published the statistical analysis of results of a study into smoking, illness, etc ............... and showed that cigarettes had no effect.

Once he moved to the university, he took those same results, used a different statistical analysis technique ........................ and showed the complete opposite!

I found someone else's discovery's to be very surprising given that they were written in three languages, and are decoded as alleged in English several centuries later.

I've recently been looking elsewhere on this subject. I got to wondering who wrote the four gospels and when. I'd the idea that they would have to be like biographers and write it all down while it was fresh in their memory.

To my surprise I found a site that said the weren't until 200AD long after Mathew Mark, Luke and John were dead. :-S

David .............


that's what we've been saying!


Both the OT and NT are based on oral stories and nothing was written down for hundreds of years.

Excuse my ignorance, I'm now old enough to know I'm ignorant on many subjects, if that is so, does that mean the book of books we call the Holy Bible is for want of a better word fiction, or maybe fantasy would better suffice ?

David, I am not very knowledgable either but my feeling is that most Christians believe the Bible to be the word of God but as interpreted and reinterpreted by man. This doesn't mean that it is fiction but that you need to look for the truth within the stories.

Do you have a family "legend" that has been passed down the generations? If so, and you can now research it, you will probably find that there is a germ of truth there but over the years the story has got changed. As an example, I learnt from my mother, who got it from her mother, and so on, that someone in our family had been on the stage and had actually died on stage. The assumption was that he was a Music Hall artist.

When my brother and I got interested in family history we found this chap. He turned out to be a closer relative than we thought - a direct line ancestor - and earlier than expected (1801-47). He didn't die on stage but he did collapse just after coming off stage, was taken back to his lodgings and died shortly afterwards. So it was a basically true tale but the details had got changed because it hadn't been written down at the time.

Also, remember that until universal education most people couldn't read so God's word had to be presented to them in a form that made sense to them i.e spoken stories, pictures etc.

Many millions many of whom cannot read or write treat The Bible as "Gospel"

Perhaps there are in recent decades as many books written, published and sold attempting to "explain" the Bible than the Bible itself.

Since Henry V111 created the Church of England for his own ends, a divorce, the C of E has splintered into Protestant, Methodist, Presbyterian, Salvation Army, Jehovah's Witnesses' etc all with their own version.
Judaism and Catholicism seem relatively stable.

The Church of England did not splinter into Protestant and Presbyterian. Protestants started in Germany several years before Henry VIII (not V111) split from Rome. Presbyterianism started in Scotland (outside Henry's jurisdiction).

Most of the main protestant denominations in the UK use the King James Bible in conjunction with modern translations and do not have their own versions.

You might enjoy Dan Brown's books and the movies based on them such as the da Vinci code. Back in the C19 one my ancestors was a cofe bishop. He most def. Did not take a literal view of the Bible and supported Darwin.

If yr faith in a religion is so weak as to need talismans and obscure messages than either the faith or the religion is badly wanting.
God forbid both.

I read Darwin didn't have his "theory" published until after his death, so as not to offend then believers.

The incumbent Pope was less than pleased when the astronomers of the day basis the earth revolved around the sun

Religion or faith lacking ? sadly at times in my case it's both.

None of us like to have our theories contradicted do we?

I believe there was friction between Darwin and the very devout captain of the Beagle but I don't think you are quite right about Darwin holding back from publishing. As I understand it, and I am happy to be put right if I have got it wrong, Darwin wrote a long summary of his theory in 1842 but did nothing with it until 1858. What pushed him into action was that Alfred Russel Wallace sent Darwin a paper for his comments and it turned out that Wallace had arrived at the same conclusions quite independently. Both Darwin and Wallace's papers were read to the Linnean Society and both men were given equal credit. Darwin then quickly got his Origin of Species book written and it was published in 1859, some 23 years before his death.

Poor old Wallace is all but forgotten now.

We've moved a bit away from the OP but an interesting thread nonetheless.