General Chat

Well that is another part of the country with its own language and proud of its heritage - good for you!

CORNISH

I wonder what happens if the census form arrives through your letter box and you're not there to fill it in, or to give it back to the collector......do you get marked down as someone who has refused to complete it, and therefore face a hefty fine?

Just thinking about me, as I'm returning to the desert very shortly.
Can't even remember the last Census I would have appeared on, probably the 1971, so anyone doing genealogy in the future will likely presume I popped off a long time ago!! LOL

K

Well....not sure OH and I could - both of us do 'casual' hourly paid work, when called for. So what catagory is that in? So far, there is nothing on the Calender for the preceeding week!

Interestingly, we currently have visitors who were resident in the US last year for their 2010 census.

Were they who they said they were?
What was the address?
How many people lived at that address?
What age *group* did they each fall into?

And that was it!!!

That makes sense to me Rita

Nationality and ethnic group aren't the same thing. I take nationality to be the place where you were born or where you are a naturalised citizen, i.e what it says on your passport. Of course there are those with dual nationality, so I guess they can choose. Ethnic group is, well, ethnic group, lol!

I can't get that worked up about it, to be honest. I guess I'll put 'British'.

I was born in England, but am proud of my Welsh links too.

I think I will settle for British.

Gwyn

Sorry - domesticity called.

Preceeding Shane's c&p

15 How would you describe your national identity?
• English
• Welsh
• Scottish
• Northern Irish
• British
• Other, write in

This one is good....

22 What passports do you hold?
• United Kingdom
• Irish
• Other, write in
• None

Don't quote me lol I haven't looked at this in a while so they may have updated the questions:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/census/2011-census/2011-census-questionnaire-content

The above link has a link to the questions they're going to use (I think bottom right). I have seen a copy of the form somewhere too but seem to have forgotten the link.

SRS - could you give the link please? Seem to have missed that one! Ta ever so.

Hi DET, You can see the Census questions already, that's how we know England is now included.

again from Wikipedia:

"The name "England" is derived from the Old English name Engla land, which means "land of the Angles".[15] The Angles were one of the Germanic tribes that settled in Great Britain during the Early Middle Ages. The Angles came from the Angeln peninsula in the Bay of Kiel area of the Baltic Sea.[16] According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the first known use of "England" to refer to the southern part of the island of Great Britain occurs in 897, and its modern spelling was first used in 1538.[17]
The earliest attested mention of the name occurs in the 1st century work by Tacitus, Germania, in which the Latin word Anglii is used.[18] The etymology of the tribal name itself is disputed by scholars; it has been suggested that it derives from the shape of the Angeln peninsula, an angular shape.[19] How and why a term derived from the name of a tribe that was less significant than others, such as the Saxons, came to be used for the entire country and its people is not known, but it seems this is related to the custom of calling the Germanic people in Britain Angli Saxones or English Saxons.[20]
An alternative name for England is Albion. The name Albion originally referred to the entire island of Great Britain. The earliest record of the name appears in the Aristotelian Corpus, specifically the 4th century BC De Mundo:[21] "Beyond the Pillars of Hercules is the ocean that flows round the earth. In it are two very large islands called Britannia; these are Albion and Ierne".[21] The word Albion (??ß???) or insula Albionum has two possible origins. It either derives from the Latin albus meaning white, a reference to the white cliffs of Dover, which is the first view of Britain from the European Continent,[22] or from the phrase in Massaliote Periplus, the "island of the Albiones".[23] Albion is now applied to England in a more poetic capacity.[24] Another romantic name for England is Loegria, related to the Welsh word for England, Lloegr, and made popular by its use in Arthurian legend."

Is it not a backlash by English born people who are trying to re-establish their cultural identity, rather than supporters of a extremist political group? As a nation, other ethnic groups are being encouraged to embrace and celebrate their cultural heritage, so why not the English?

Perhaps we ought to wait and see what options we actually have on the census form, rather than speculate. Perhaps they ought to ask something like
"If you hold or were to apply for a passport, which country would issue it?"
Why do 'they' actually need to break down people into ethnic groups anyway?

Just trying to remember when the Angles invaded us? That's were the term England came from

from wikipedia:

"The name Britain is derived from the Latin name Britannia (earlier Brittannia), via Old French Bretaigne (whence also Modern French Bretagne) and Middle English Bretayne, Breteyne. The French form replaced Old English Breoton, Breoten, Bryten, Breten (also Breoton-lond, Breten-lond).
Brittannia or Brittania was the name used by the Romans from the 1st century BC. Following the Roman conquest of AD 43, it came to be used for the Roman province, which was restricted to the island of Great Britain south of Hadrian's wall. Because of this, Brittannia was increasingly used for Great Britain in particular, which had formerly been known as Albion."

It certainly is old. Didn't the Romans call us Britains? I'm more interested in showing my Scottish heritage Uggers lol although being born in England, I'm probably more English.

SRS, I may be wrong but isn't Britain an older term than England? I find all this "I'm English not British" stuff a bit English Defence League:)

Those who have recently returned from Libya will unexpectedly be recorded in this forthcoming Census.

when do you have your census Sue?

I personally don't see the big deal bout being British, we've been part of GB for quite a while now. It's good that we've been given the choice this time to put down our preference ie British or Welsh, Scottish English, etc