General Chat

Mel, I wonder if you have actually lost faith in a particular religious organization, and their interpretation of God. Which is something different entirely.

:-) Rose

There's a subtle difference, in my opinion, anyway, in faith in something 'religious' in nature and faith in science. Simply put, science is provable and theism isn't.

sorry Eldrick I didn't mean 'you' in the personal sense...i should have put 'one would (might) have made ones own object of faith...' if one had not been "subjected to religion"

for some that is science.....

I did say that my upbringing played a part in my faith and that's where the religion comes into it. I don't advocate blind faith. I have experienced, analysed and made my own mind up.

I do see your point Eldrick - as I do most people on this subject. It's always a debatable topic.

Sue x

Maybe a thousand years ago I would have, Rose, but the benefits of 21st century science would stop me worshipping the sun or whatever.

I don't see any miracles around me - lots of beautiful and wonderful things, but no miracles Im afraid!

We can excuse stone age man for worshipping things in nature or creating deities to explain things they didn't understand, like eclipses or shooting stars. But times move on.....

I agree with Joy, though. There is definetely a place for the King James bible in churches. As long as it stays there, that's fine with me!

well said Rose lol x

Joy ty I totally agree I would be lost without it I have lost faith in God and the church but the faith of my heart and in the bible has not wavered x

Course you would Eldrick lol you would have made your own object of faith...be it the sun or nature or a supreme being of your own to account for the miracles all around us...

Granted a few maybe both but those with faith do no neccessarily need to have faith in a god they could have faith in their team winning or their house not falling in and some fundamentalists may be v devout and religeous but not really have faith in a god they may prefer to look to other men for guidence x

But if you'd never ben subjected to religion, you wouldn't have found a faith, if you see what I mean.

Now imagine if everyone else was the same - what a beautiful world it would be (yes, I know, John Lennon had the same idea).

I have faith but I don't go to church and I don't have much time for organised religion. My faith has come together through my upbringing but has been developed over the years by experience, reading and finally deciding what I believe in without influence from others. I'm comfortable with where I am.

Sue x

I dont see how they are different issues, to be honest. To have faith in some nebulous deity then it requires a belief in religious teachings or doctrine, surely. Or else how would one know what to have faith in?

I can't see how a religious person cannot have faith either. They have to go hand in hand unless I'm missing something.

I would agree there Eldrick (eek not good to be in agreeance all of the time) it was all down to religeon that Afghanistan started ~ but there is religeon and there is faith two totally different issues a person of faith may not be particularly religeous same as do religeous people all have faith ~ not always x

I rather disagree with that. Most recent wars - Afghanistan in particular, have their roots in crazy religious fundamentalism - on both sides.The lunatics who flew into the twin towers didn't do it because of class or culture, their last words were 'god is great' or whatever mumbo jumbo translates into that phrase. The London bombers didn't do it because of a cluture conflict - they did it because their religion told them to do it, or rather some warped self seeking version of that religion.

Israel and Palestine don't have cultural differences. They have religious differences. I could go on.......it's all very sad and in the 21st century, beyond belief to a secular onlooker.

As most wars are in reality based on conflicts of class and/or culture I'm not sure that that would do a lot of good.

Yes, I don't doubt it's importance as a literary document and I agree, some of the language rather freely translated from the original Hebrew is rather picturesque, but a new translation would inevitably mean the true meaning of the Hebrew word 'almah', mistranscribed as 'virgin' instead of 'young woman' would throw everything into utter confusion and cause wars, which would be a great shame and very expensive.

The world would be a far better place if the bible, talmud, quoran and all other works of ancient fiction were consigned to the 'interesting antiquarian' section of public libraries.

Eldrick thank you for adding your opinion ~ as someone who has recently discovered she has lost faith in God I maybe inclined to agree with you but then again no its a fine piece of literature whether fact or fiction (and I still believe the latter its my faith in God needs restoring not my faith in the bible) and every good piece of literature deserved its place the bible particularly the AV is most worthy x

Kay is really is NOT written in the style of Catherine Cookson

Eddie I "saw" a modern day translation of Romeo and Juliet on DVD today also puffin do a modern day series based on Shakespeare its not the same but it can compliment x

Big grin on face ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ waves to Eldrick :))

The Unauthorized Version - Truth and fiction in the bible by Robin Lane Fox is well worth a read.
Eldrick, I agree with your sentiments re the youth of today but I must also admit to being a little surprised when you implied there are no modern translations of Shakespeare. Is that true? I will be searching the library later!

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Why not translate into plain understandabl english,its been translated from latin into olde english ,then it got translated into saxon,then back into english where it was reduced into 66 books, who knows what in it is real or not ,maybe it was written as a Catherine Cookson type novel in the first place,,}}}