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i really need some help, i have found all the relatives which i can. however i would like to go back even further, does anyone have any ideas in which i could do ?
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You really need to give a bit of information before anybody can help, e.g. your grandfather Jo Bloggs b 1920 in Timbucktoo m Mary Whoever b 1923 in Wherever. Give where and when they married. If you havent gone any further back than that couple then people will know where you can look for help.

Huia.

Agree entirely with Huia. Also if you click on the Trying to Find board words on your left hand side you will be able to see what information other people provide, and how the research is done and what you can find yourself.

i dont really know who i am trying to find though in particular, i have just come to a dead end. i have spoken to all the people i can to find out names, birthdays etc. but i do not know how to go back any further ?!

Holly, take just one line, i.e. your Mother's or Father's. How far have you got back? Grandparents? Gt grandparents?

I was waiting for Holly to say exactly where she is in case she is getting information overload but she seems to have disappeared.

On my mom's side i have gone back to my great great great grandfather and on my dad's side i have got back to my great great nan. x

Thomas Lambsdown, he was born in 1811 and died in 1855 due to a fever. I do not know where he was born but i know that he was a Bedstead Maker, Journey Man. He was married to a Mary Russon, who i know nothing about and I only know about one of their children James Lambsdown, who was my Great Great Grandfather. x

1851 CENSUS
The surname has been wrote down by the Enumerator as Lamsdown.

1851 address
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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LANSDOWN, Thomas Head Married M 40 1811 Bedstead Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, Mary Wife Married F 41 1810
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, Elizabeth Daughter F 18 1833 Book Clasp Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, Mary Daughter F 15 1836 Patten Toy Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, William Son M 16 1835 Steel Toy Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, Thomas Son M 13 1838 Errand Boy
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, Joseph Son M 11 1840 Book Clasp Maker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, Julia Daughter F 9 1842 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, Ann Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, Benjamin Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, James Son M 4 1847
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LANSDOWN, Charles Son M 1 1850
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
BERLEY, Edward Visitor M 15 1836 Baker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2052 Folio:
636 Page:
38

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
Saint Thomas EnumerationDistrict:
24 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Saint Thomas Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
2, Hodgkins Building, Little Hill Street, Saint Thomas, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

Thankyou so much, but do you have any ideas why the surname would of changed ? x

Holly it is wrote down by the Enumerator as Lamsdown not Lambsdown.

Holly, many people were illiterate, wouldnt have known how their name was spelled, and the enumerator would write it down the way it sounded, so you need to always check for alternative spellings for first and last names, and then there are some people who might have been christened Thomas but called themselves William, just to make things awkward for us. So dont say 'he cant be mine as his name was different'. We all learn these things as we get wiser in this business.

Huia.

CarolB. The Ancestry image has the name spelt Lamsdown. It is transcribed as Lamsdows which is an incorrect transcription. Also I saw his occupation as Bedstead maker. On the image it is written as Beadstead maker. That too could be a spelling error.

On FMP the census name is Lansdown Bedstead maker.

I am getting no where bringing the name up on FreeCen. I will go try some more variations.

I am pretty sure that the census is the correct one even with the names being spelt differently because the address given was Little Hill Street and Thomas' place of death was Little Hill Street. x

Also does anyone know how i can trace the rest of the family ? x

Holly,

What you need to do now is have a look at the 1851 census I gave you,then get up the 1861 census to see who is missing from the 1851.you know Thomas snr has died 1855.

I think that you will find that between the 2 censuses there will be Mary Lambsdown and William Lambsdown missing off the 1861.

Now if you get FREEBMD up and have a look for their marriages,Mary married in 1860 and William married in 1861.

With Mary you will be able to get the answer on who she married on the 1861 census.
For William it will have to be the 1871 census

What you have to do is get a census up then cross match who is missing off the census with either marriages or deaths.

I am putting this here as it is so mistranscribed Holly may not find it

1861 England Census
about Charles Lansbdown
Name: Charles Lansbdown
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Lansbdown 52
Elizabeth Lansbdown 29
Thomas Lansbdown 23 brass founder
Joseph Lansbdown 21 ditto
Julia Lansbdown 19 bridle sticher
Benjamin Lansbdown 15 spoon and fork filer
James Lansbdown 14 brass founder
Charles Lansbdown 11
Mary Ann Bullward 24

the occupations added below, Holly, may help you confirm them on later census' etc.

By 1871 census Mary (mother) and Charles are only ones together. So that gives you an idea of when the others left home/married...

1871 England Census
about Charles Lambsdown
Name: Charles Lambsdown
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Asaph
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Lambsdown 65
Charles Lambsdown 21

Joseph Payne 36 (lodger)
Mary A Payne 35 "
Julia Dor Payne 10
Anne A Payne 8
Rebecca Payne 5
Jessie Payne 8

Is Mary Ann Payne and Mary Ann Bullward the same person ? x