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Ummm, i wasnt quite sure how to use the one and the other one you have to sign up to and pay and i dont think my mom would of let me :) x

Holly
my ancestors couldn't read or write so the enumerator spelt it as it sounded and some of the spelling were quite unique thank heavens for
soundex even if the spelling is wrong there is enough info to know you have the right family

Holly ,it is possible that Mary Ann Bulward and MA Payne are the same person but it seems the Payne family were just "lodgers" and I don't think they are connected to your family, it is very common to find two families in a household, brings in extra cash!

RR

Sorry.you have it wrong about Mary Bullward and Mary Payne.

Mary Bullward is actually Mary Bullivant on the 1861 census.

And Mary Bullivant married Joseph Lambsdown marriage Sept qtr 1865.

Mary Ann Payne is Mary Ann Lambsdown married Joseph Payne June qtr 1860.

How come she goes to Bullward/Bullivant then before Payne ? x

1871 census - household transcription
Person: PAYNE, Joseph
Address: Rosefield Terrace, Leamington

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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PAYNE, Joseph Head M 32 1839 Warwickshire VIEW
PAYNE, Mary A Wife F 34 1837 Herefordshire VIEW
PAYNE, John A Son M 8 1863 Warwickshire VIEW
PAYNE, George A Son M 6 1865 Warwickshire VIEW
PAYNE, Charles H Son M 4 1867 Warwickshire VIEW
PAYNE, Jane Daughter F 2 1869 Warwickshire VIEW
PAYNE, Ellen Daughter F 2 1869 Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3194 Folio:
72 Page:
26

Registration District:
Warwick Sub District:
Leamington EnumerationDistrict:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Leamington Municipal Borough:
Address:
Rosefield Terrace, Leamington County:
Warwickshire



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This is Joseph Payne and Mary Ann Lambsdown Marriage details.



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
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Davis Comfort Birmingham 6d 176
Jones Charles Birmingham 6d 176
LAMBSDOWN Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 176
PAYNE Joseph Birmingham 6d 176

as you can see there are 2 marriages but when I crossmatched the Marriage names and the 1871 census.it was the right couple.
Joseph Payne to Mary Ann
Lambsdown.

ah with you now...thanks Sue, had not looked properly at image

This is Joseph Lambsdown and Mary Ann Bullivant

1871 census - household transcription
Person: LAMBSDOWN, Joseph
Address: Hill Street, Little, Birmingham

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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LAMBSDOWN, Joseph Head M 31 1840 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Mary A Wife F 33 1838 Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3098 Folio:
115 Page:
3

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Thomas EnumerationDistrict:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Hill Street, Little, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire



This is Joseph Lambsdown marriage to Mary Ann Bullivant marriage details as you can see there are 2 marriages again but I crossmatched the marriage with the 1871 census
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Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
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Brodrick James Michael Birmingham 6d 168
Bullivant Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 168
LAMBSDOWN Joseph Birmingham 6d 168
McPike Catherine Birmingham 6d 168

So does that mean Mary Bullivant and Mary Payne are different people, Mary B married Mary P's brother ? x

This is for William Lambsdown and Emma Biddle

1871 census - household transcription
Person: LAMBSDOWN, William
Address: Summer Lane (Fox Tavern Beer House), Birmingham

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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LAMBSDOWN, William Head M 36 1835 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Emma Wife F 35 1836 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Sarah A Daughter F 9 1862 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Benjamin Son M 1 1870 Warwickshire VIEW
BIDDLE, Selina Sister-In-Law F 33 1838 Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3121 Folio:
48 Page:
8

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St George EnumerationDistrict:
16 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Summer Lane (Fox Tavern Beer House), Birmingham County:
Warwickshire



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And this is their marriage


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Marriages Mar 1861 (>99%)
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Biddle Emma Aston 6d 257
Broomhall Thomas Aston 6d 257
Howes Ann Sophia Aston 6d 257
Lambsdown William Aston 6d 257


As you can see from the 1871 census Emma's sister Selina Biddle is living with them.

Holly,
Yes you are correct that Mary Bullivant married joseph Lambsdown who is Mary Payne's Brother.

Would you like me to look for the brothers and sisters marriages and census details for you.

Thankyou everybody for your help.
And yes please sue :) x

Holly
It's best to print all the thread then you can study all the information at your leisure and all the family can also.

That will be when I have all the information for you.

This is for Thomas Lambsdown

1871 census - household transcription
Person: LAMBSDOWN, Thomas
Address: Sherbourne Street, Birmingham

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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LAMBSDOWN, Thomas Head M 33 1838 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Mary A Wife F 32 1839 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Mary J Daughter F 4 1867 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Thomas G Son M 2 1869 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Florence H Daughter F 0 1871 Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3094 Folio:
68 Page:
40

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
Lady Wood EnumerationDistrict:
29 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Sherbourne Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire



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Thomas Lambsdown marriage to Mary Ann Gilbert

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Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
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Gilbert Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 66
LAMBSDOWN Thomas Birmingham 6d 66
Smith Sarah Birmingham 6d 66
Street William Birmingham 6d 66

As you can see 2 marriages again but I have crossmatched it with the 1871 census.

James Lambsdown and Emma Brettell


1871 census - household transcription
Person: LAMBSDOWN, James
Address: Hope Street, Birmingham

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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LAMBSDOWN, James Head M 24 1847 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Emma Wife F 23 1848 Warwickshire VIEW
WOOD, Emily Servant F 14 1857 Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3103 Folio:
65 Page:
1

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Martin EnumerationDistrict:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Hope Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire



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Marriage for James and Emma


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Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
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BRETTELL Emma Birmingham 6d 208
LAMBSDOWN James Birmingham 6d 208
Silvester Frederick Birmingham 6d 208
Smith Jane Birmingham 6d 208

Same as before but I have crossmatched the marriage details with 1871 census

Benjamin Lambsdown and Julia Allport.


1871 census - household transcription
Person: LAMBSDOWN, Benjn
Address: Emily Street Court, Aston, Birmingham

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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LAMBSDOWN, Benjn Head M 25 1846 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Julia Wife F 25 1846 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Ada Ann Daughter F 0 1871 Warwickshire VIEW
DARBY, Jno Head M 26 1845 Warwickshire VIEW
DARBY, Jane Wife F 24 1847 Staffordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3136 Folio:
127 Page:
42

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Deritend EnumerationDistrict:
19 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Aston Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Emily Street Court, Aston, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire



The couple surname Darby are just lodging with Benjamin Lambsdown
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Marriage details.


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Marriages Mar 1870 (>99%)
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Allport Julia king's N 6c 474
Carless Sarah Ann Kings Norton 6c 474
LAMBSDOWN Benjamin Kings Norton 6c 474
RHODES George King's N. 6c 474

Same as before but crossmatched them with 1871 census.

Mary (MOTHER)

1871 census - household transcription
Person: LAMBSDOWN, Charles
Address: Hill Street, Little Court House, Birmingham

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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image

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LAMBSDOWN, Mary A Head F 65 1806 Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Charles Son M 21 1850 Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3098 Folio:
116 Page:
5

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St Thomas EnumerationDistrict:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Hill Street, Little Court House, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

As you can see in 1871 there was only Charles living at home with his Mother Mary.
He was Married a year later as Charles Didn't marry until 1872 then I will have to look at the 1881 census.

Will the census ever get the year of birth wrong ? x

Charles Lambsdown and Clara


1881 census - household transcription
Person: LAMBSDOWN, Chas
Address: 1, Norman St, Birmingham

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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LAMBSDOWN, Chas Head Married M 31 1850 Publican Beerhouse
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Clara Wife Married F 31 1850 Wife Of Publican
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Mary A Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Chas T Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Frank Son Single M 2 1879
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
LAMBSDOWN, Caroline Servant Single F 16 1865 Servant
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3008 Folio:
43 Page:
27

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
All Saints EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Norman St, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire








Mariage details for Charles and Clara Broadhead

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Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
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Broadhead Clara King's N. 6c 651
Green Ellen King's N. 6c 651
Lambsdown Charles king's N 6c 651
Smith James Kings N 6c 651
Taylor Thomas King's N. 6c 651

As before crossmatched with 1881 census.

Can someone have a look at a census in 1881 for James Lambasdown and his wife Emma please ? Thankyou x