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Interesting site for Sir Charles Hawtrey, also mentions he had two sisters Mable and Mildred. http://www.*oliveweb.clara.*net/clark-hogg/ch-gallery-hawtrey-charles.*htm

http://www.thepeerage.*com/p3713.htm Sir Charles Hawtrey (M) d. 30 July 1923, #37123 Last Edited=13 Jul 2004 Sir Charles Hawtrey married Katherine Elsie Clark, daughter of Reverend William Robinson Clark, on 10 November 1919. He died on 30 July 1923. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx AXFORD, Ernest John W 1886 June Marriages St George Hanover Square London Surrey BENNETT, Eliza Edith 1886 June Marriages St George Hanover Square London Surrey Hawtrey, Charles Henry 1886 June Marriages St George Hanover Square London Surrey Sheriffe, Madeline Harriet 1886 June Marriages St George Hanover Square London Surrey

No mention of a church association I suppose? I have found a Charles Hawtrey as a small boy on 1861, born around the right time whose father is the clerk of holy orders at Eton school. that is this family for ref., will see if i can follow the Charles through Charles H Hawtrey abt 1859 Eton, Buckinghamshire, England Son Eton Buckinghamshire Edith M Hawtrey abt 1853 Eton, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Eton Buckinghamshire Edward Hawtrey abt 1848 Eton, Buckinghamshire, England Son Eton Buckinghamshire Frances E E Hawtrey abt 1849 Eton, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Eton Buckinghamshire Frances M A Hawtrey abt 1824 Sandhurst, Berkshire, England Wife Eton Buckinghamshire George T Hawtrey abt 1847 Eton, Buckinghamshire, England Son Eton Buckinghamshire John P Hawtrey abt 1851 Eton, Buckinghamshire, England Son Eton Buckinghamshire John W Hawtrey abt 1818 Canterbury, Kent, England Head Eton Buckinghamshire Mabel Hawtrey abt 1858 Eton, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Eton Buckinghamshire Source information: RG9/852 Folio 93 Page 17 Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Eton ED, institution, or vessel: 5c Household schedule number: 78 -------------------------------------------------------------- 1871 Aldin house, father still clerk in holy orders Source information: RG10/1399 folio 65 page 5 Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Iver ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 27(b) GSU Number: 828504 --------------------------------------------------- 1881 - getting warmer Charles Henry Hawtrey abt 1829 Eton, Buckinghamshire, England Visitor 100 Piccadilly, St Georges Hanover, London, England < his age is almost illegible> occupation Gentleman.. Source information: RG11/0095 folio 116 Page 24 Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Mayfair ED, institution, or vessel: 5 --------------------------------------------------------- 1891 Charles Hawtrey- theatre Manager married by the wife isn't there address : 37 wilton crescent (might be Milton cres) Source information: RG12/71 Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub registration district: Belgrave ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 44 Page: 18 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6095181 ------------------------------------------------------- 1901- cant find! DOH!

thankyou MMM, i will have a look at the site and let you know karen

How about this? Your grandma may have had a London accent??? Could Autry actually be Hawtrey?? Sir Charles (1858-1923) and Lady Katherine Elsie Hawtrey were in the Theatre (the Charles Hawtrey of Carry-On fame took his stage name from Sir Charles - they are not related). Anyway, there are lots of sites about Sir Charles Hawtrey, one with a photo for you to compare is: http://www.oliveweb.clara.net/clark-hogg/ch-gallery-hawtrey-charles.htm I have his obit fromThe Times if this is the right chap. Even if it isn't the right man, I am pleased as the obit tells me his bro-in-law was a man my gran had a ''dalliance'' with lol - I never knew that!!! What a co-incidence! Happy Hunting MMM

many thanks to all who are looking, i still cant find them either , i will keep looking as i need to find them karen

Tried a few spelling varients in ''The Times'' archive - no luck at all. Still carrying on...... Sarah

Karen, I have just looked Burks Peerage of the Gentry .on-line,,and there is no titled family with that name,,,,,,either as a Sir ???or Lady, but he may have been granted that tltle by way of Naval connections,,,,,???? The nearest to it,,,Audley ,,& Hawtry ,,,and |Hawtry have connection to Corfu Castle.. kay,

How old is your gran in the picture and how old are they? she has spelled it AUTRY has she? these are all the Autry head of household in 1901 will look and seif occupations or address give anything away Elizabeth Autry abt 1862 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Head Armley Yorkshire single - 34 canal lane George Autry abt 1854 Ireland Head Holbeck Yorkshire , a 'swiller' in a cloth mill Hanah M Autry abt 1848 Wakefield, Yorkshire, England Head North Manchester Lancashire a widow , occupation to do with railways Walter Autry abt 1855 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England Head Dewsbury Yorkshire - a railway goods porter Walter Autry abt 1866 West Ardsley, Yorkshire, England Head Leeds Yorkshire - inn keeper publican

no i cant find them anywhere, i know they existed because my gran is pictured with them and she has writen on the back lord and lady autry karen

Have you found them on ANY census at all?

i have looked on most censuses and on other websites, i dont know what other websites to go on karen

where have you looked for them so far?

i have a picture of my gran in service for the people, my mum has just told me it would have been abt 1920-25 when she was in service

Possible spellings Aughtrey, Oughtry/trey Awtry/Awtree etc. nell

Karen, If you have got the correct spelling,,,,,,if you can visit a local Record Office or Archive,,,and look in Burks Peerage Books simular to Whos Who,,,perhaps they like people of their stature only used the London address on occasions,,,,,and had their home else where. If it is still an on going family name,,then they could be listed in Whos Who and copies of these are kept in the Reference Section of a good Library, Kay, Googling the name didnt bring any results>

Ok, lets try it this way, what was your nans name and when was SHE born?

Is that just a name you were told, or was you gran old enough to have been in service for them around 1900?

hi chris i cant find them anywhere , thats why i need a bit of help

my grandma was in service for them , but i am not sure of the spelling or ponounciation.