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Hi there, I have come to a dead end and this is my only hope!! I cannot find my gggrandad anywhere after 1891. His name was William Mattless and he was born in 1844 in Clenchwarton, Norfolk. He was alive in 1895 when my gggrandma died but I have lost all trace of him from there onwards. His younger children were shown on the 1901 census as being with older siblings which initially made me think he had died but I can't find any record. I've even written to the Church in Clenchwarton, but to no avail. The workhouse is my only hope!!! how do I seach to see who was in there at the time of the 1901 census? Any help gratefully received. Regards Julie

Hi Julie, If he was in a workhouse in 1901, he should ( famous last words) be on the 1901 census.Regards Vera

Hi Vera, I had a funny feeling you would say that!!! I was just hoping you wouldn't!!!! I really don't know what to do next. It's not crucial in my search, but it's just frustrating and now I'm like a dog with a bone and I know I won't rest until I find his death! Thanks again for replying. Julie

Hi, I have been looking on the 1901 and I can not find him - have tried all sorts of variations - the only ones that I can find from that area are the ones that I am sure you already have. >> View Record William Mattless abt 1897 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Son Walsoken Norfolk >> View Record William A Mattless abt 1870 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Head Walsoken Norfolk >>View Record William A Mattless abt 1896 Tilney All Saints, Norfolk, England Son Terrington St John Norfolk View Record Emily M Mattless abt 1894 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Daughter Walsoken Norfolk View Record Ernest Mattless abt 1885 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Servant Burwell Lincolnshire View Record Maud Mattless abt 1897 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Granddaughter Walsoken Norfolk View Record Robert G Mattless abt 1872 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Head Terrington St John Norfolk View Record Rose E Mattless abt 1888 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Sister Terrington St John Norfolk View Record Ann Mattless abt 1818 Fincham, Norfolk, England Boarder St Margaret Norfolk View Record Charlotte Mattless abt 1867 Tilney All Saints, Norfolk, England Wife Terrington St John Norfolk View Record Elizabeth Mattless abt 1840 Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England Servant South Lynn Norfolk View Record James Mattless abt 1848 Hatton, Norfolk, England Head Nottingham Nottinghamshire View Record James R Mattless abt 1841 Watton, Norfolk, England Head Hillington Norfolk View Record Robert E Mattless abt 1900 Walsoken, Norfolk, England Son Walsoken Norfolk View Record Robert F Mattless abt 1899 Tilney All Saints, Norfolk, England Son Terrington St John Norfolk View Record Sarah A Mattless abt 1851 Calverton, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Nottingham Nottinghamshire View Record Susannah Mattless abt 1873 Walsoken, Norfolk, England Wife Walsoken Norfolk >>View Record William Matliss abt 1852 Carbrook, Norfolk, England Head Carbrooke Norfolk You say that you know he was alive in 1895 Is this because he was the informant on the death cert - If so what was the addy please. Pen x

Julie, At times this family treeing is so frustrating. We have all been there !!! I have had a look on the 1901 census....tried under William, 1844 and Norfolk....so far no luck. Regards Vera

Hi Pen, Thanks for your time and effort. Registration District: Wisbech Sub-district: Terrington Saint Clements, Norfolk Death in Clenchwarton No precise address. Thanks again for your help Regards Julie

Vera, Thanks for trying to help - I think it's one of those things I will just have to struggle on with!!! Regards Julie

Hi Pen, If you can help in any way at all that would be wonderful. Do you know it alway amazes me how helpful people are on this site - I've never know a site like it - people actually help other people and don't expect something in return - wonderful!!! Regards Julie

Hi Pen, Yes, that's my william born in 1844, he was married to esther. Regards, Julie

Hiyah. Don't know the geography of Norfolk could he have been in hospital found this. Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record W M abt 1845 N Patient Thorpe Next Norwich Norfolk Germaine x W M Age: 56 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Patient Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: N Civil parish: Thorpe Next Norwich Ecclesiatical parish: Thorpe St Andrew Town: Thorpe St Andrew County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Source information: RG13/1854 Registration district: Blofield Sub-registration district: Blofield ED, institution, or vessel: Norfolk County Asylum Folio: 147 Page: 14 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1

Hi Germaine, That is certainly a possiblity that I hadn't thought of!! It would explain why his children were with older siblings. I may have to look further afield for his death!! What does it mean on your reply 'view image' - is there something that you could possible email me? Thanks again for your help Regards Julie

Hi Pen, Yes, Esther was Killingsworth - I really appreciate all the time and effort you are putting in to helping me!! love Julie

hi Julie have sent you a PM. germaine x

Hi Pen, Can you tell me where you get your info from? do you subscribe to ancestry or have you bought your own set of discs from somewhere? Hubby doesn't know what to get me for Crimbo and if I can get as much info as you can from somewhere he might just have found something to get me!!! Love Julie

Ancestry - and I can not praise it enough !

I agree with Pen. Ancestry is worth every penny. Germaine x

From 1891 Mistranscribed yet again - lol! Reads Mattles - This is interesting have you noticed who the neighbours are ? Name: Matthew, Esther Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where Born: Clenchwarton, Norfolk Birth Country: England Civil parish: Clenchwarton Ecclesiastical parish: Clenchwarton Town: Clenchwarton County/Island: Norfolk Source information: RG12/1307 Registration district: Wisbech Sub registration district: Terrington St Clement ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 56 Page: 14 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6096417 Matthew, Esther abt 1849 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Wife Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Matthew, Ethel G abt 1890 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Daughter Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Matthew, Frederie I abt 1886 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Son Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Matthew, Harry abt 1883 Nottinghamshire, England Son Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Matthew, John T abt 1878 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Son Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Matthew, Robert G abt 1872 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Son Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Matthew, Rosa E abt 1888 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Daughter Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Matthew, Susanah abt 1874 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Daughter Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Matthew, William abt 1844 Watton, Norfolk, England Head Clenchwarton Norfolk ****Living next door**** View Record Hawkins, Matthew abt 1828 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Head Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Hawkins, Susanah abt 1829 Nk Wife Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Killingsworth, William abt 1852 Nk, Tilney Stepson Clenchwarton Norfolk *********************************************************************** 1891 This is the other son Albert - working as a servant from 1891 the image actually read Matlas Mattas, William abt 1870 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Servant Walsoken Norfolk Mattas, William Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where Born: Clenchwarton, Norfolk Birth Country: England Civil parish: Walsoken Town: Walsoken County/Island: Norfolk Source information: RG12/1308 Registration district: Wisbech Sub registration district: Walsoken ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 51 Page: 11 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6096418 ************************************************************************** From 1881 to compare View Record George Griggs abt 1860 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Brother in Law Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England View Record Esther Mattless abt 1849 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Wife Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England View Record John T. Mattless abt 1879 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Son Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England View Record Robert G. Mattless abt 1872 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Son Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England View Record Susannah Mattless abt 1873 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Daughter Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England View Record William Mattless abt 1844 Watton, Norfolk, England Head Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England View Record William A. Mattless abt 1870 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Son Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England View Record Arthur Young abt 1862 St Germans, Norfolk, England Boarder Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England *********************************************************************** From 1871 From 1871 mistranscribed again - image checked and reads Matles Looks like Esther was Maiden name Killingsworth? View Record Susan Killingsworth abt 1803 Tilney All Saints, Norfolk, England Grandmother, Grandma Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record Esther Matters abt 1849 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Wife Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record William Matters abt 1844 Watton, Norfolk, England Head Clenchwarton Norfolk View Record William Arthur Matters abt 1870 Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England Son Clenchwarton Norfolk William Matters Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Watton, Norfolk, England Civil Parish or Township: Clenchwarton Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich Town: Norwich County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Source information: RG10/1618 Registration district: Wisbech Sub-registration district: Terrington ************************************************************************ From 1861 From the 1861 They are down as Matlap - but the p is elongated, which was how they use to write ss. I was told this on the boards when I started! But just to be sure I will check the 71 to make sure he does not exist on that! lol Name: William Matlap Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Son Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Watton, Norfolk, England Civil parish: North Pickenham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Source information: RG9/1263 Registration district: Swaffham Sub-registration district: Saham Toney ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 36 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 54 GSU Number: 542786 View Record Isabel Matlap abt 1852 Watton, Norfolk, England Daughter North Pickenham Norfolk View Record James Matlap abt 1850 Watton, Norfolk, England Son North Pickenham Norfolk View Record Jemima Matlap abt 1811 Thompson, Norfolk, England Wife North Pickenham Norfolk View Record Robert Matlap abt 1811 Carbrooke, Norfolk, England Head North Pickenham Norfolk View Record Thomas Matlap abt 1847 Watton, Norfolk, England Son North Pickenham Norfolk View Record William Matlap abt 1844 Watton, Norfolk, England Son North Pickenham Norfolk

From the 1861 - continued They are down as Matlap - but the p is elongated, which was how they use to write ss. I was told this on the boards when I started! But just to be sure I will check the 71 to make sure he does not exist on that! lol Name: William Matlap Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Son Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Watton, Norfolk, England View Record Isabel Matlap abt 1852 Watton, Norfolk, England Daughter North Pickenham Norfolk View Record James Matlap abt 1850 Watton, Norfolk, England Son North Pickenham Norfolk View Record Jemima Matlap abt 1811 Thompson, Norfolk, England Wife North Pickenham Norfolk View Record Robert Matlap abt 1811 Carbrooke, Norfolk, England Head North Pickenham Norfolk View Record Thomas Matlap abt 1847 Watton, Norfolk, England Son North Pickenham Norfolk View Record William Matlap abt 1844 Watton, Norfolk, England Son North Pickenham Norfolk *Have taken a look at the image that Germaine found - County Asylum Norfolk, for this chap they have written down condition of marriage, S for single, and he would of been a widower by 1901 - They have written widower for some of the other chaps though. Still could be a possible though. *No there is no William Matlop born Watton or nearby 1844 on the 71 so this is your chap on the 61. Phewwww! ************************************************************************ From 1851 - Yep ...mistranscribed image reads Matlas Name: William Matlax Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Son Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Watton, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Watton County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Source information: HO107/1823 Registration district: Wayland Sub-registration district: Attleborough ED, institution, or vessel: 11a Folio: 345 Page: 17 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 64 GSU Number: 207477 View Record James Matlax abt 1850 Watton, Norfolk, England Son Watton Norfolk View Record James Robert Matlax abt 1842 Watton, Norfolk, England Son Watton Norfolk View Record Jamima Matlax abt 1812 Thompson, Norfolk, England Wife Watton Norfolk View Record John Matlax abt 1838 Tottington, Norfolk, England Son Watton Norfolk View Record Mary Ann Matlax abt 1839 Watton, Norfolk, England Daughter Watton Norfolk View Record Robert Matlax abt 1811 Carbrooke, Norfolk, England Head Watton Norfolk View Record Thomas Matlax abt 1848 Watton, Norfolk, England Son Watton Norfolk View Record William Matlax abt 1844 Watton, Norfolk, England Son Watton Norfolk Civil parish: North Pickenham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Source information: RG9/1263 Registration district: Swaffham Sub-registration district: Saham Toney ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 36 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 54 GSU Number: 542786

Death record for Esther Name: Matlass, Ester Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 47 Quarter: December Year: 1895 District: Wisbech County: Cambridgeshire Norfolk Volume: 3b Page: 357 (click to see others on page)

Just to make a note of William MATTLESS anywhere during 1915 in National Burial Index (Fenland FHS). 1 results found. Refine search > Search results > Details Result pages 1 10203050 results on page View as table 1. Name William MATTLESS Date 11 Nov 1915 Aged 18m Place Wisbech Description Mount Pleasant Municipal Cemetery Denomination Cemetery County code CAM . Name William MATLESS Date 15 Sep 1815 Aged 77 Place Carbrooke Description St Peter & St Paul Denomination Anglican County code NFK 2. Name William MATLESS Date 30 Oct 1844 Aged 58 Place Carbrooke Description St Peter & St Paul Denomination Anglican County code NFK