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1851 census help please - three prisoners, same pr
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K | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:43 |
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James Hall, born c1827 in Bradford, native place listed on his convict record as Leicester, profession a miner in December 1848 was found guilty of highway robbery at York Assizes. Seems to have been held in prison before his departure to Van Diemen's Land or Tasmania in April 1852 per Pestongee Bomangee from Plymouth. His fellow highway robbers were James Jowett (27 years old in 1848) and Abraham Lightowler (38 years old in 1848.) Am hoping any of these three appear on the 1851 census as they were all sent to Tasmania in 1852. The big question being, were they all in the same prison? It might help me narrow down my own James Hall if the others were in prison with him Happy to assist with Tasmanian convicts in exchange. Kim in Tasmania :) |
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Elaine | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:48 |
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Have found Abraham A Lightowler Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1812 Relation: Convict Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Woolwich Ecclesiatical parish: Rochester Town: Greenwich County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Occupation: View image Disability: View image Source information: HO107/1588 Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard ED, institution, or vessel: Warrior Convict Hulk Folio: 509 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 |
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Elaine | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:52 |
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J Jowett Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Relation: Convict Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Horton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Woolwich Ecclesiatical parish: Rochester Town: Greenwich County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Occupation: View image Disability: View image Source information: HO107/1588 Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard ED, institution, or vessel: Warrior Convict Hulk Folio: 510 Page: 13 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 GSU Number: 174825 |
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Elaine | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:52 |
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Two found - one to go !! |
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Jess Bow Bag | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:53 |
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elaine, are you finding these on 1851 census? if so i must be doing something daft!! |
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K | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:55 |
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Elaine - gosh you are fast shaping up as my favourite person this week! Kim |
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Elaine | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:56 |
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3 Halls J Hall abt 1815 Ireland Convict Woolwich Kent J Hall abt 1831 Boxmoor, Hertfordshire, England Convict Woolwich Kent T Hall abt 1821 Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England Convict Woolwich Kent all found on ship named Hulk - same as the 2 above |
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Jess Bow Bag | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:57 |
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there is this one... Name: J Hall Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Convict Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Boxmoor, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Woolwich Ecclesiatical parish: Rochester Town: Greenwich County/Island: Kent Country: England Source information: HO107/1588 Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard ED, institution, or vessel: Warrior Convict Hulk Folio: 514 Page: 21 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 1 GSU Number: 174825 his occupation (former occupation I guess!)is given as boatman........ |
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K | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:59 |
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Okay I've just looked at the newspaper account of the robbery at the time and there is another chap involved - Richard West (22 in 1848) Could he have been on the convict hulk as well? You both have a captive audience here! |
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Elaine | Report | 18 Jan 2006 09:59 |
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Alice - convicts/prisoners are often listed only with initial, rather than full name - so you need to look under surname only |
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Elaine | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:00 |
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yes he is there as well R West Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1828 Relation: Convict Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Woolwich Ecclesiatical parish: Rochester Town: Greenwich County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Occupation: View image Disability: View image Source information: HO107/1588 Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard ED, institution, or vessel: Warrior Convict Hulk Folio: 509 Page: 10y |
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K | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:03 |
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Oh my goodness you two - only James Hall to solve now - how mnay convicts could have been on that hulk? 200? 500? |
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Elaine | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:04 |
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Alice has given you details of one of the Halls (b Boxworth) on board - here are the other two J Hall Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relation: Convict Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Woolwich Ecclesiatical parish: Rochester Town: Greenwich County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Occupation: View image Disability: View image Source information: HO107/1588 Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard ED, institution, or vessel: Warrior Convict Hulk Folio: 513 Page: 18 ................. T Hall Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Relation: Convict Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Woolwich Ecclesiatical parish: Rochester Town: Greenwich County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Occupation: View image Disability: View image Source information: HO107/1588 Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard ED, institution, or vessel: Warrior Convict Hulk Folio: 511 Page: 15 have just noticed this last one is T Hall so probably not of interest but will leave it anyway |
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Jess Bow Bag | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:06 |
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The james i found was born Boxmoor-which is Hertsfordshire (Boxworth is Cambs) |
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K | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:08 |
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Okay so these Halls on board the hulk Warrior - are any of them listed as miners or labourers? Much glee at this end :) |
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Elaine | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:13 |
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Have just looked at the images of the Halls to find out occupation Hall b 1815 Ireland - agent Hall b 1831 - boatman Hall b 1821 - framework knitter |
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K | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:16 |
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Elaine -thanks for this - am looking at his convict record and it says he was a coal miner...I wonder where on earth James could be? |
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Dizzy Lizzy 205090 | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:17 |
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Out of interest, have found the following article about convict hulks which mentions the Warrior: http://www.victorianlondon.org/prisons/hulks.htm Liz |
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Elaine | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:18 |
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There appears to be about 800 convicts on board this ship. If you just do a blank search of the ship without putting in any names there are a number of convicts whose names come up just with initials, for example there are about 15 convicts who are names J.H. - none born in Bradford c1827 Have done a blank search for anyone born 1827 Bradford +/- 5 years - only ones that come up are W Keane abt 1830 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Convict Woolwich Kent T L abt 1832 Bradford, Wiltshire, England Convict Woolwich Kent S Stratton abt 1825 Bradford, Wiltshire, England Convict Woolwich Kent R White abt 1832 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Convict Woolwich Kent |
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K | Report | 18 Jan 2006 10:22 |
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Lizloojay - well spotted - thanks for the link Elaine - gosh that is an enormous number of convicts on board, I had no idea they had that many. Is there anyone on board that you even have just a small hunch about? |
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