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Well I definitely need a brain implant, Jess. My Charlotte Charman turns out to be Caroline Blanchard. Hmm.

Phoenix (AFof C) Resurgam, i havent clue, to be perfectly Honest , I kind of lost the plot with these...I need to do a roll around on the floor with the papers and coloured crayons , i think. I'm finding The 'Charmans' from 'Charlwood' that were all 'charwomen' a bit of a headache!!

Hi Jess This is an aside, rather than a serious query (I THINK) but do you have anything on that Ephraim Charman in Charlwood? My Hedgers go to Charlwood - possibly marry a Charlotte Charman, but I need to check that out - and catch Ephraims like the measles. The tree is covered in them (and the wonderfully named Melancthon Hedger) like a rash.

oh gawd, got more Stedmans and Coombers than you can shake a stick at now! arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh going to go and 'beeble' in the corner Thanks - i think..... jess x

Hi Jess, Not sure if this will help for 1841 but I can't do the images for you. COOMBER ANNE F 10 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER CATHARINE F 35 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER CHARLOTTE F 65 SURREY NORWOOD HILL CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER CHARLOTTE F 11 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER GEORGE M 8 months SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER GEORGE M 5 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER HENRY M 2 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER JAMES M 13 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER JAMES M 1 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER JAMES M 40 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER JANE F 20 SURREY NORWOOD HILL CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER JOHN M 9 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER PHILLIS F 5 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER SARAH F 3 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER SARAH F 40 OUT OF COUNTY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER SARAH F 8 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER SARAH F 40 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER SARAH F 11 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER THOMAS M 4 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER THOMAS M 65 SURREY NORWOOD HILL CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER THOMAS M 15 SURREY NORWOOD HILL CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER WILLIAM M 40 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER WILLIAM M 8 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY COOMBER WILLIAM M 7 SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY STEADMAN MARY F 20 OUT OF COUNTY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY STEADMAN MARY F 6 months SURREY PLACE NAMED PAGE WOOD CHARLWOOD SURREY Best wishes Amanda

Thanks Charlotte will throw that into the melting pot too

I have been through the whole of Reigate District in 1841 and have only come up with this additional William of the right age. The only adult Williams are the one already mentioned in Charlwood and one who is working on a farm in Burstow (he might be married to Ann but there are no children). I did find the William born in Ockley but his father is Michell (?Michael) and it isn't in Reigate District either. I assume you have William as his father from the marriage certificate. HO 107 1076 Book 6 Folio 10 Leigh (Superintendent Registrar's District of Reigate) Edward Charman, aged 45, Butcher Elizabeth Charman, aged 40 Elizabeth Charman, aged 15 Mary Charman, aged 10 Clara Charman, aged 9 William Charman, aged 7 Edwin Charman, aged 5 Ellen Charman, aged 2 All born in Surrey Charlotte

Elaine, it very odd, because she deffo married my man in the name of Mary Stedman , so she could be the Step daughter of Mr Coomber Snr, which is why she is accomodating him, after her marriage, he having cared for her after her mother has died? found her bap anyway MARY STEDMAN Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 13 JUN 1813 Worth, Sussex, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: THOS STEDMAN Family Mother: CHARLOTTE ** no obvious sibs in the batch ------------------------------------------------------- thinking out loud, so i dont forget - marriage Charlotte stedman->Coomber- Sussex? No Charlwood - in 1827- thanks Elaine BUT that means either Thomas Died, or never existed

Jess, Have searched Familysearch and James Coomber married Sarah Stedman(note spelling) 27/9/1827 Charlwood!. So this looks like Mary Stedman is James Coombers dau in law, ie dau by marriage. Since she was born 1819 , before they married, she has kept her mothers name.( sorry to cast aspersions on your ancestors!) I do think ,however sinceJames Coomber 1799/1800 Charlwood is the lodger of your William Charman and Mary (nee Stedman) on 1861 then we have found your Mary Stedman on 1851. Having a look for William Charman now. Elaine x.

In a word, No why are everyone elses so easy? i guess that is why i have left it|!!

Jess, Sorry to muddy the waters! Im sure theres a logical explanation to this. This probably isnt your Mary, and shes probably a daughter from James Coombers previous marriage(if he had one).Cant help you with William Charman. Just out of interest - have you found Mary on 1851? Elaine x.

ooooooooooooh this lots were the Holyier than thou ones...well, what can i say? Mmmm. Sorry took so long to reply - i fell off the end of the universe and coundn't climb back on for some reason

Jess, This is a bit strange - On 1861 the Charmans (William + Mary nee Stedman)have a James Coomber lodger b1799 Charlwood. If you follow James Coomber the lodger back to 1851 he has an unmarried son William Coomber b 1834 Charlwood +dau in law Mary Steadman b Worth 1819 with a lodger Mary Steadman b1841. Mary is an unmarried Housekeeper.Bearing in mind your Williams age do you think he changed his name to marry the housekeeper? (just a shot in the dark!) William Coomber b1834 disappears from 1861. William Charman appears in 1861. Both families lived in the same road. Elaine x.

The only possibilities I can see are... William Carman abt 1835 London, Middlesex, England Nephew New Windsor with Dedworth Berkshire William Carmon abt 1832 West Horsley, Surrey, England Prisoner Clerkenwell Middlesex William Charman abt 1831 Dorking Lodger St Marylebone Middlesex All are long shots though.

Jess have you ruled this one out in 1851? William Charman abt 1834 Leigh, Surrey, England Servant Reigate Kent Source information: HO107/1599 Registration district: Reigate Sub-registration district: Reigate ED, institution, or vessel: 5b Folio: 132 Page: 24 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 71 GSU Number: 193497 Georgina.

Sue, I think that's this one in 1861 William Charman abt 1835 Ockley, Surrey, England Head Wotton Surrey

Just found William & Harriet. No sign of a William (or a Sophia for that matter lol) William Charman, 40, Ag Lab, Y Harriet, 35, Y Hester, 7, Y George, 5, Y John, 3, Y Ephraim, 1, Y Hookwood Common, Charlwood.

orange blossom.... Mmmmmmmmmmwah!! xx It maybe , but it may not , its all supposition at this stage as i have no clue. was basing it on the charmans of CHarwood that were possibilites,(that were all charwomen by the way) Interestingly, this williams grandaugher, who was My Grandmother was called Abigail so......

I have him in 1841. I'll just type up the details. Abigail Charman, 35, Charwoman (!!) Y Ann, 10, Y William, 8, Y Thomas, 5, Y James, 2, Y Living 'Place named the Queens Fields', Charlwood, Surrey. Re-reading what you wrote, it might not be him...

Thanks Suzanne - not the right one - following him Thru to 1861, he marries a mary, but not the right mary( have mine and his mary in 1861) Edward Charman abt 1857 Wisborough Green, Sussex, England Son Wisborough Green Sussex Harriett Charman abt 1860 Wisborough Green, Sussex, England Daughter Wisborough Green Sussex Mary Charman abt 1859 Wisborough Green, Sussex, England Daughter Wisborough Green Sussex Mary K Charman abt 1831 N Wife Wisborough Green Sussex >>William Charman abt 1834 Leigh, Surrey, England Head Wisborough Green Sussex William Charman abt 1858 Wisborough Green, Sussex, England Son Wisborough Green Sussex Jane Mann abt 1846 Wisborough Green, Sussex, England Servant Wisborough Green Sussex